[pianotech] Conventions ( was Pianotech? )

[Jerry Groot]

Most often, if people offend us, or piss us off, we can moderate things
ourselves and many times people apologize for it either publicly or
privately.  At least humble people do.  It is those times when people become
"trolls, trouble makers, abusing us and just not quitting when asked to
quit," is when the ban rule comes into play.  

 

Read the rules and regulations on Piano World.  I frequent there more than
anywhere else.  The rules are simple and straight forward.  PW reserves the
right to ban, as owners of PW, and they USE that right as necessary which
makes everyone happy except the person who is being banned which is the
whole point.  If that person cannot or refuses to keep their mouth closed
continuing to harass, then after being warned and asked to stop then they
are banned, period.  No more questions asked.  The end..  

 

Blocking doesn't work because as we can see, someone is continually
responding which auto sends it to all of us.  Banning works the best.  

 

 

 

From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of tnrwim at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:16 AM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Conventions ( was Pianotech? )

 

Mark

 

On the one hand I agree that we should not have to put up with Duaine. And I
applaud you for offering to be the monitor. But where do we draw the line?
There are others on this list who have at one time or another, pissed off
other members, or have uttered bad words. What will be the deciding factor?
And more importantly, should you be the only one who makes that decision?
What if you did ban someone, but others don't' like what you did? Do we ban
you then?

 

I think the best thing we can do is ignore this guy, and perhaps block him,
if that is what you want to do. But I don't think it s agood idea to
"officially" remove him from the list, no matter how dumb, ignorant,
obnoxious, or arrogant, he appears to be. 

 

Wim

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Purney <mark.purney at mesapiano.com>
To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Conventions ( was Pianotech? )

John,
 
I will also be blocking Duaine's posts. But we SHOULD NOT have to 
individually block people to make this a friendly, respectful forum for 
communicating with each other about piano technology.
 
I have personally asked various members of leadership why we must 
continue to put up with people like Duaine who continuously show 
disrespect for others and offer nothing positive to the rest of the 
community. The answer is that there is no official position of authority 
to carry this out. There is no moderator, apparently. Nobody wants the 
job or the responsibility. There is some notion that if one person is 
removed for bad behavior, then it opens a can of worms, and then we will 
have the burden of having to be fair about how such things are handled 
in the future, so that nobody is discriminated against or treated more 
harshly than some other troublemaker was treated in the past. So the 
solution is to do nothing? I'm getting tired of nothing being the 
solution, and seeing people like Duaine insult people who don't deserve 
to be insulted. I don't care about Duaine's feelings. I care about the 
feelings of the hundreds of decent people who want a friendly 
environment to share ideas with each other; people who know how to 
behave like mature adults.
 
I just don't get it. I've run and moderated a number of forums for 
various organizations, and it's really easy:  If someone is a 
disrespectful jerk, they get banned. Everyone is happy, life goes on. 
The next disrespectful jerk to ruin the party for everyone else gets 
banned, too. Why are we putting up with this crap? Why can't we, in the 
name of respect and decency, set some reasonable standards of normal 
human behavior and draw a line? It's time for us to realize that good 
will, a collaborative spirit, and mutual respect is far too important to 
let someone like Duaine Hechler crap all over it day after day after day.
 
Nobody wants the job? Give it to me, then. I'll be glad to hit the "Ban" 
button if nobody else has wants to take the flak for making a decision.
 
 
 
 
 
On 7/24/2012 7:40 PM, John Formsma wrote:
> 
> 
> I have been blissfully blocking his posts for at least 2 years now. I 
> don't really understand why the rest of you haven't done the same. I 
> bear him no will either, but have better things to do with my time.
> 
> The only time I see his name is when someone responds to him. If we 
> all blocked his emails, life would be happier.
 
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