[pianotech] Conventions ( was Pianotech? )

[tnrwim at aol.com]

Mark

On the one hand I agree that we should not have to put up with Duaine. And I applaud you for offering to be the monitor. But where do we draw the line? There are others on this list who have at one time or another, pissed off other members, or have uttered bad words. What will be the deciding factor? And more importantly, should you be the only one who makes that decision? What if you did ban someone, but others don't' like what you did? Do we ban you then?

I think the best thing we can do is ignore this guy, and perhaps block him, if that is what you want to do. But I don't think it s agood idea to "officially" remove him from the list, no matter how dumb, ignorant, obnoxious, or arrogant, he appears to be. 

Wim



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Purney <mark.purney at mesapiano.com>
To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Conventions ( was Pianotech? )


John,
I will also be blocking Duaine's posts. But we SHOULD NOT have to 
ndividually block people to make this a friendly, respectful forum for 
ommunicating with each other about piano technology.
I have personally asked various members of leadership why we must 
ontinue to put up with people like Duaine who continuously show 
isrespect for others and offer nothing positive to the rest of the 
ommunity. The answer is that there is no official position of authority 
o carry this out. There is no moderator, apparently. Nobody wants the 
ob or the responsibility. There is some notion that if one person is 
emoved for bad behavior, then it opens a can of worms, and then we will 
ave the burden of having to be fair about how such things are handled 
n the future, so that nobody is discriminated against or treated more 
arshly than some other troublemaker was treated in the past. So the 
olution is to do nothing? I'm getting tired of nothing being the 
olution, and seeing people like Duaine insult people who don't deserve 
o be insulted. I don't care about Duaine's feelings. I care about the 
eelings of the hundreds of decent people who want a friendly 
nvironment to share ideas with each other; people who know how to 
ehave like mature adults.
I just don't get it. I've run and moderated a number of forums for 
arious organizations, and it's really easy:  If someone is a 
isrespectful jerk, they get banned. Everyone is happy, life goes on. 
he next disrespectful jerk to ruin the party for everyone else gets 
anned, too. Why are we putting up with this crap? Why can't we, in the 
ame of respect and decency, set some reasonable standards of normal 
uman behavior and draw a line? It's time for us to realize that good 
ill, a collaborative spirit, and mutual respect is far too important to 
et someone like Duaine Hechler crap all over it day after day after day.
Nobody wants the job? Give it to me, then. I'll be glad to hit the "Ban" 
utton if nobody else has wants to take the flak for making a decision.


On 7/24/2012 7:40 PM, John Formsma wrote:


 I have been blissfully blocking his posts for at least 2 years now. I 
 don't really understand why the rest of you haven't done the same. I 
 bear him no will either, but have better things to do with my time.

 The only time I see his name is when someone responds to him. If we 
 all blocked his emails, life would be happier.

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