[pianotech] Drilling pinblocks from the bottom

Jim Kinnear jim at jimkinnear.com
Thu Oct 15 06:29:04 MDT 2009


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-----Original Message-----
From: "Joseph Garrett" <joegarrett at earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:20 
To: David Love<davidlovepianos at comcast.net>; <pianotech at ptg.org>
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Drilling pinblocks from the bottom

David,
All well and good. Except, I do not drill all the way through even with the "#2 drill"(??? what the heck is that???)! I don't allow any air from underneath. AND, I've found that the tops of the pins will be just fine, but the bottom will have rust on it. I suspect, (can't prove), that the lack of air circualtion in the cavity is somewhat the cause of this. 
Also, my studies have shown that the area of the Willamette Valley, (where I live, more or less), is an ideal mild climate that is consistant and favorable to/for pianos. That "wet" B.S. is put out by the Native Oregonians, (of which, I am NOT), just to keep the rest of the world from moving here!<G>
In  short, I think drilling all the way through is unnecessary in the process.
I'm out of here,
Joe

Joe Garrett, R.P.T. (Oregon)
Captain, Tool Police
Squares R I



----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Love 
To: joegarrett at earthlink.net;pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: 10/14/09 6:39:35 PM 
Subject: RE: [pianotech] Drilling pinblocks from the bottom


Yeah but if the bottom is rusty so is the top probably.  Anyway, I do seal the block, I do use a pin driving fluid which puts a light coating of varnish on the pin and inside the hole and even if you don’t drill all the way through with the #2 drill you are poking a hole in the bottom that allows air to move in and out.  If you want to avoid rust you have to move out of that rain soaked northwest where you live!
 
David Love
www.davidlovepianos.com
 
From: Joseph Garrett [mailto:joegarrett at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:49 PM
To: David Love; pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: RE: [pianotech] Drilling pinblocks from the bottom
 
David,
Consider, the next time you pull the pins on a rebuild, look at the ends of the tuning pins. More often than not, they are rusty! Gee, I wonder why? Personally, I don't want ANY moisture getting into the pin block if I can avoid it. Hence, I do not drill all the way through. AND, I put a finish on the pin block...completely! In 37 years of doing it this way, I have had 0, (zero) failures, even on pianos that were subjected to extremely adverse conditions! So, there's the reason to NOT drill all the way through. Just another "fine point", like the Becket thingee!<G>
Regards,
Joe
 
Joe Garrett, R.P.T. (Oregon)
Captain, Tool Police
Squares R I
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Love 
To: joegarrett at earthlink.net;pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: 10/14/09 11:36:45 AM 
Subject: RE: [pianotech] Drilling pinblocks from the bottom
 
I haven’t found a reason not to.  
 
David Love
www.davidlovepianos.com
 
From: Joseph Garrett [mailto:joegarrett at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:21 AM
To: David Love; pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: RE: [pianotech] Drilling pinblocks from the bottom
 
And your reason for doing so is what???
Joe
 
Joe Garrett, R.P.T. (Oregon)
Captain, Tool Police
Squares R I
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Love 
To: joegarrett at earthlink.net;pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: 10/14/09 8:04:08 AM 
Subject: RE: [pianotech] Drilling pinblocks from the bottom
 
I realize that but I do drill them through.  
 
David Love
www.davidlovepianos.com
 
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Garrett
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:56 AM
To: pianotech
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Drilling pinblocks from the bottom
 
David Love said: "Since the pinblock needs to be tightest at the top, wouldn't it make sense to drill them from the bottom of the block? Double drilling would make that
possible and then the slight bit of wandering and run out as you line up the
hole for the second pass would only impact the bottom of the hole and not
the top. Drill the first pass from the top and then flip the block over and
run the second pass from the bottom. Assumes, of course, that you don't
drill the block in the piano after it's installed."
 
 
David,
That also assumes that a person would drill the pinblock ALL the way through.....Which I don't!<G> (with good reason, IMA)
Regards,
Joe
 
 
Joe Garrett, R.P.T. (Oregon)
Captain, Tool Police
Squares R I
 
 
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