> > I wrote: > > > > >> As far as hammers and backchecks lining up, those are elements in > > >> function, and I do think they are important, even if I allow a mm or > > >> so alteration in blow distances between hammers to even out action > > >> geometry. > > Israel replies: > > > > > Precisely. Things that matter an awful lot... If lining up beckets is > > > considered on the same level of importance as hammer and backcheck > > > alignment - than someone has a rather screwed up value system... Geesh, Ed. I happen to be agreeing with you here. Matters of function are more important than cosmetics. Whoever (not you - the guy to whom you replied) puts them on the same level of importance as mere cosmetics is the one with screwed up values. > I also said: > > "A worker that has no pride rarely does the best work." > > > To which Israel replies: > > "I don't believe that Ron Nossaman - who was the first to express the > opinion here that lined up beckets don't matter - can hardly be > accused of "rarely doing the best work". " > > What a huge leap of sideways logic! It was never posited > that these considerations were equal in value. An equally absurd > connection is made with the following sentence. Not by you but by the person to whom you replied!. Maybe you should read things a bit more carefully before getting all hot and bothered. > "Ron was pointing out that he didn't worry about exact becket > alignment. That hardly qualifies for "having no pride" in his work." > > My post was not personally directed at Nossman, but at what I > have seen in the trade in general. There is no need for anyone to try > to link the two. Israel, this is an example of taking a general > observation, stretching it out to the extreme, and then inferring it > was aimed at someone. Doesn't do anybody an good. Well, my intent was not to accuse you of disparaging Ron undeservedly but to point out that it is dangerous to make generalizations about workmanship on the basis of an insignificant cosmetic detail. Which is how Ron - jmudging from his reply - understood it. And my experience both in Boston and in San Francisco is precisely the opposite. I have run into a lot more rebuilt pianos cosmetically perfect - but with flawed voicing, regulation and or/touchweight than the opposite. David Love's work being one of the few exceptions where the workmanship is equally fussy on both counts. There are others, with well deserved reputations. But far too many "screw polishers" on various levels. And plenty fine craftspeople who choose to fuss where it counts - over details of function and structure - rather than minor cosmetic details. Israel Stein > > Subject: > Re: [pianotech] Pin height > From: > David Skolnik <davidskolnik at optonline.net> > Date: > Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:34:03 -0400 > To: > pianotech at ptg.org > > To: > pianotech at ptg.org > > > Why was this picture taken, and why posted? Ron N called it > "unfinished". We don't know if represents the finished product or if > it's only just been strung, and prior to pins being driven to finished > level. Even without addressing the angle, which I find a bit > difficult to ascertain, the pin height itself would account for the > looseness of the coils. Surely flagpolling would be an issue, even > with tuning-pin bushings. If, on another hand, the pins are already > at a secure torque, I would hate to see (or feel) what that would read > if pins were driven to correct height. > > It's misguided, I think, to get into a heated debate as to whether > concern for appearances can be perceived as an indicator of a > fundamental approach to the work, in general, or whether it can come > to supplant, or cover for the lack of such. > > David Skolnik > Hastings on Hudson, NY > > Emacs! > > > At 08:16 AM 10/1/2009, you wrote: >> Nice neat job, but kinda high. >> Ru/up >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rick Ucci/ Ucci Piano > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech mailing list > pianotech at ptg.org > http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20091004/1c3726a5/attachment-0001.htm> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 304511 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20091004/1c3726a5/attachment-0001.jpeg>
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