[pianotech] Young Chang & Weber Grands: ActionClicking/KnockingUpon Quick Key Release

Paul Milesi paul at pmpiano.com
Sun Oct 4 11:19:44 MDT 2009


Joe-

No, I haven¹t checked backrail cloth, but no need.  I isolated the wippen
and hammer from the key by holding the key down at the back, and operating
wippen and hammer with hands, and I still get the noise, so it¹s in the
rep/wippen or knuckle.

Paul
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Paul Milesi
Registered Piano Technician (RPT)
Piano Technicians Guild
(202) 667-3136
(202) 246-3136 Cell
E-mail:  paul at pmpiano.com
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From: Joe Goss <imatunr at srvinet.com>
Reply-To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:17:06 -0600
To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang & Weber Grands:
ActionClicking/KnockingUpon Quick Key Release

Hi, 
Have you checked the back rail cloth and the way it is glued down?
Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT
imatunr at srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com <http://www.mothergoosetools.com>
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> From:  Tom  Driscoll <mailto:tomtuner at verizon.net>
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> To: pmc033 at earthlink.net ; pianotech at ptg.org
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> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:56  AM
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> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang  & Weber Grands:
> ActionClicking/KnockingUpon Quick Key Release
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> Paul,
>  
> Ditto to the comments so  far. I had a client just yesterday with a Samick-10
> year old grand. Same  symptom.     This time it was not the returning jack
> punching which I have found to be a culprit over the years.Sometimes worn
> -over eased balance rail holes can contribute to noisy return, but not the
> case with this Samick.
>  
> I needled a sample knuckle  with some improvement (After tightening screws of
> course) Removed a whippen  and needled the whip cushion on the same note .
>  
> noise was diminished but to  my beginning pianist client even with improvement
> the piano is considered  unplayable. She has decided to practice on a Yamaha
> GH1 that was part of her  new home purchase because it does not make this
> noise. It does however sound  like a banjo that  has been outside for two
> years.
>  
> I digress here, but I was  called to tune both with her intent to sell the
> Samick (In this case superior  to the GH1 in every way) because it had a small
> chip in one keytop. I  explained about the tone-tuning instability of the GH1
> and suggested  that the GH1 would be the piano to sell and lets not tune it
> until  the weather changes.Here in New England the tenor on these  will go 30
> cents  wild when a cloud passes overhead.
>  
> I think she considers the  Yamaha to be the better piano because the teacher
> likes it and I can't  completely cure the noise in the Samick. (the teacher is
> a very nice and has  me tune her upright every 10 years--No kidding)
>  
>    A day in the  life.
>  
>     Tom  Driscoll
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>> From:  pmc033 at earthlink.net
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>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
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>> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:37  AM
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>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang  & Weber Grands:
>> ActionClicking/KnockingUpon Quick Key Release
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>> Hi, Paul:
>>  
>>     I agree with Tom about the knuckles, but you  might also look at the jack
>> rest cushions.  They get compacted and  become noisy.  In some of these, I
>> had to needle them with a chopstick  voicing tool.  Once I actually had to
>> replace them with (yikes!) butt  felt squares.  You can see if the problem is
>> those rest felts by  flicking the jack tips.  If they make that sound, you
>> found your  culprit.  The sound will reverberate with the help of the
>> aluminum  rail. 
>>  
>>     Have fun.
>>  
>>     Paul McCloud
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>>     San Diego
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>> From:  Paul Milesi <mailto:paul at pmpiano.com>
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>>> To: PTG Pianotech List <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>
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>>> Sent: 10/04/2009 1:07:53 AM
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>>> Subject: [pianotech] Young Chang  & Weber Grands: Action
>>> Clicking/KnockingUpon Quick Key Release
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>>> 
>>> I am now responsible for servicing three 1997  Weber grands at Howard U,
>>> ranging in size from the 4¹11² WG-50 to WG-57  (5¹7²) and WG-60 (6¹1²).
>>> These three are now in pretty good shape  overall, but need regulation.
>>> There are others on campus I haven¹t  seen yet, but have heard they¹re in
>>> bad shape.
>>> 
>>> Tonight I went to a  hotel which is a private client of mine and re-visited
>>> a 5¹2² Young Chang  G-157 for the first time in quite a long while.  I was
>>> struck by the  similarities -- same problems I¹m having with the Webers,
>>> which my  research had told me were made by Young Chang in Inchon, South
>>> Korea.
>>> 
>>> All these pianos have a ³noisy² action!  At first I  thought it might be
>>> worn key bushings or loose wippen or hammer flange  screws.  But I¹ve now
>>> taken the time to eliminate the key and the  flanges.  The noise appears to
>>> be either (1) the repetition or jack  hitting the knuckle; or (2) the jack
>>> regulating button hitting the stop.   The knocking/clicking occurs when any
>>> key is released quickly, but  not even necessarily all the way up.  I
>>> believe it happens when the  key is released enough to let the jack return.
>>> I¹m now wondering if  a third possibility is the spring in the little hole
>>> of the jack?  If  so, what¹s the fix?
>>> 
>>> Please, this is driving me crazy!  As a  pianist and technician, I want to
>>> understand what¹s happening here, and  this is frustrating me.  I believe
>>> these pianos can be regulated to  make them a lot better, satisfactory
>>> practice instruments, but before I  waste a lot of time, I¹m wondering if
>>> this problem is somehow endemic to  these instruments?  Can this noise on
>>> every key be alleviated?   Does it have anything to do with aluminum rails?
>>> HELP!
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Paul
>>> -- 
>>> Paul Milesi
>>> Registered  Piano Technician (RPT)
>>> Piano Technicians Guild
>>> (202 )  667-3136
>>> (202) 246-3136 Cell
>>> E-mail:   paul at pmpiano.com
>>> Website:  http://www.pmpiano.com
>>> 
>>> Address:
>>> 3000  7th Street NE, Apt. 204
>>> Washington, DC  20017-1402
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