Sometimes the observations of a newbie can be helpful - sometimes not, so here goes Paul seems interested with the intent of Wim's (I think) use of the words "fine" and "adequate" in the same conversation with "pitch raise" and "fine tuning". While I can't find the original posts, I do recall that I took "fine tuning" to be in contrast to "coarse" tuning, (a pitch raise obviously being coarse.) In the context in which these words were used, I personally took "fine tuning" to mean that the technician leaves the piano quite pleasantly playable, vastly more so than when he/she found it, and certainly "adequate" or "fine" considering the client's expectations. I also perceive that many excellent technicians, perhaps including Paul, may have a narrower definition of "fine tuning" unbound by context, which refers to the quality of the finished tuning expected for a concert/artist instrument, whether it is such an instrument or not. I'm fairly new to the business. As such, very nearly every piano I tune requires a really nasty pitch raise, and quite a few pianos are worse than 75 cents. I perform a single pitch-raise pass using TuneLab and then a "fine tuning" pass. I always explain to the client that while I will leave the piano considerably improved (I use words like "quite playable" and "more enjoyable"), I am confident their piano will benefit much from regular tunings. I list the benefits. I am satisfied that I have "pitch-raised" and "fine-tuned" in one sitting and that my "fine tuning" is more than "adequate" to satisfy my client's expectations. To date, my return visits generally indicate that my previous tunings were in fact "adequate", meaning the piano, while not up to my personal tuning standards, was still "playable" and "enjoyable" for my client, is still at-pitch and is ready for another "fine tuning". thank you all for your relentless back-and-forth posts - be assured that I and many other greenhorns are gaining a valuable education from it Phil
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