(careful, it is about temperaments)

Porritt, David dporritt@mail.smu.edu
Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:32:40 -0600


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Don't get me wrong, I still personally prefer ET.  60+ years of
listening to ET, feeling satisfied - even smug - when I attain a
wonderful ET, feeling badly and desperately trying to correct anything
other than ET, will do that to you.  My personal piano is - and always
has been tuned in ET.  I just think that there are reasons some use
other temperaments and if they want them, I want to be the guy who can
deliver them.  The choir here was working on some Handel last semester
so I tuned a piano to A-415 in a Young temperament (my favorite of the
WTs) for them.  Our harpsichordist always wants some flavor of WT. =20

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As to why composers chose specific keys....there are lots of reasons.
If you are writing for a soprano you have to choose a key that will keep
the song in their range.  The feel of the keys under your fingers for
pianists and other instruments makes a difference.   There's no sense in
writing something if it's technically impossible to play.  I can't help
but feel that when MT or WTs were widely used that the key color also
played a roll in the choice of keys. =20

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We are a tradition bound field.  It took a long time for ET to be
accepted.  Now that ET is standard it's taking a long time to open
people up to other temperaments. =20

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The artists who still perform and record in ET in spite of their
diligence in performance practice might just prefer it like me.  Non-ET
just sounds "wrong" in a certain sense.  Intellectually I know it's not
wrong, but so far emotionally it sounds wrong.  For us it's probably the
amount of time and effort that went into perfecting our ET that we don't
want to throw that effort away. =20

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dp

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David M. Porritt

dporritt@smu.edu

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From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On
Behalf Of David Love
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:49 AM
To: 'An open list for piano technicians'
Subject: RE: (careful, it is about temperaments)

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One other comment.  The problem with these types of explanations is that
they ignore the data.  In reaching a conclusion you first have to look
at the data and what that tells you.  After that you look at factors
which might mitigate against your conclusion.  The data suggest that
people who are presumed savvy about issues such as temperament are not
choosing them.  The factors that mitigate against that conclusion are
such as those mentioned below but even so, it represents only one tuners
attitude on the subject and there's nothing to suggest that artists are
asking for HT's and not getting them.  When you stick to your conclusion
(really your opening premise) in spite of the data then it suggests a
bias.  You're really starting with a conclusion and then looking for
reasons to support it rather than collecting the data and reaching a
conclusion based on what you find. =20

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David Love
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From: Porritt, David [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Porritt, David
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:26 PM
To: An open list for piano technicians
Subject: RE: (careful, it is about temperaments)

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Or they thought that when they took their show on the road they couldn't
get the temperament of their choice executed by the technicians in the
field.  From my observations that's probably true.  I listened to Franz
Mohr tell a class that if an artist asks for a non-ET temperament to
just tune ET and don't go there.  Now that was a few years ago but his
view of the subject indicated that this idea was probably not subject to
change.

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dp

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David M. Porritt, RPT
Meadows School of the Arts
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX 75275
dporritt@smu.edu

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From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of David Love
Sent: Wed 1/11/2006 2:49 PM
To: 'An open list for piano technicians'
Subject: RE: (careful, it is about temperaments)

One thing to consider in all this (and I've probably exhausted my
thoughts)
is what the major pianist/scholars are doing in this respect.  Pianists
like
Brendl, Schnabel, Perahia, and most of not virtually all others who pour
over original source material, biographies, writings, documents in order
to
glean that small little detail that adds to their commitment to a more
authentic interpretation of the music as conceived by the composer.  Of
all
these people it seems (and I say this with the caveat that I have not
actually done the research) that most if not all of them, when choosing
to
record/perform, opt for ET.  While there may be a few who, to their
credit,
are exploring these pieces in the temperaments of the times, they are a
stark minority.  To suggest that the leading interpreters of classical
music
of the last century take such pains for authenticity while rejecting
the, we
assume, prevailing tuning style of the times forces you to the
conclusion
that they either consciously chose to reject it because it wasn't in
their
view relevant to the music and authentic interpretation, or that they
are/were ignorant, biased or, as Bremmer suggests, did it for some
strange
business reason.  Considering the extent to which they research these
issues
and their apparent commitment to the original intent of the composers
leads
me to the conclusion that the tuning style was rejected consciously and
that
it was not relevant, in their view, to an authentic and musical
interpretation.  Who am I to argue?  If there is real evidence to the
contrary, I'm open to hearing it.  =20

David Love
davidlovepianos@comcast.net

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From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On
Behalf
Of Ric Brekne
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:48 AM
To: pianotech
Subject: (careful, it is about temperaments)

As to the matter of conclusive.... we of course agree.  I dont anyone
can claim conclusive proof one way or the other either... not by a long
shot.  That said, I /believe/ that composers were affected by the sounds
around them... perfect pitch aware or not. I try to imagine my self in
that same enviroment... could I not be influenced ? Could it not be a
significant part of why I choose any particular key ?  Well... we will
never know perhaps... I'm not sure it really matters much.  Certainly
much in that world is there to be explored... if not re-explored.

Cheers
RicB

While I think the exploration of WT has it's own interest in terms of
what
the composers of that day may have been hearing when they actually
played
their works on the piano or related instrument, I think it is far from
conclusive that those who often conceived of and composed things away
from
the instrument, with a keen sense of absolute pitch and the unique
characteristics of each key apart from the piano, with orchestration
ever in
their minds would have been driven by tuning style that was evolving
even
during their own lifetimes.      =20
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