---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment David, At 09:32 AM 1/12/2006, you wrote: >The artists who still perform and record in ET in spite of their >diligence in performance practice might just prefer it like >me. Non-ET just sounds "wrong" in a certain sense. Intellectually >I know it's not wrong, but so far emotionally it sounds wrong. For >us it's probably the amount of time and effort that went into >perfecting our ET that we don't want to throw that effort away. Sounds like the Houston Symphony who did a Baroque Festival at the university a few years ago. Still tuned to A-442 and wouldn't even consider an HT! :-( >dp > >David M. Porritt ><mailto:dporritt@smu.edu>dporritt@smu.edu > >---------- >From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] >On Behalf Of David Love >Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:49 AM >To: 'An open list for piano technicians' >Subject: RE: (careful, it is about temperaments) > >One other comment. The problem with these types of explanations is >that they ignore the data. In reaching a conclusion you first have >to look at the data and what that tells you. After that you look at >factors which might mitigate against your conclusion. The data >suggest that people who are presumed savvy about issues such as >temperament are not choosing them. The factors that mitigate >against that conclusion are such as those mentioned below but even >so, it represents only one tuners attitude on the subject and >there's nothing to suggest that artists are asking for HT's and not >getting them. When you stick to your conclusion (really your >opening premise) in spite of the data then it suggests a >bias. You're really starting with a conclusion and then looking for >reasons to support it rather than collecting the data and reaching a >conclusion based on what you find. > > >David Love >davidlovepianos@comcast.net >-----Original Message----- >From: Porritt, David [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of >Porritt, David >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:26 PM >To: An open list for piano technicians >Subject: RE: (careful, it is about temperaments) > >Or they thought that when they took their show on the road they >couldn't get the temperament of their choice executed by the >technicians in the field. >From my observations that's probably >true. I listened to Franz Mohr tell a class that if an artist asks >for a non-ET temperament to just tune ET and don't go there. Now >that was a few years ago but his view of the subject indicated that >this idea was probably not subject to change. > >dp > >__________________________ >David M. Porritt, RPT >Meadows School of the Arts >Southern Methodist University >Dallas, TX 75275 ><mailto:dporritt@smu.edu>dporritt@smu.edu > > >---------- >From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of David Love >Sent: Wed 1/11/2006 2:49 PM >To: 'An open list for piano technicians' >Subject: RE: (careful, it is about temperaments) > >One thing to consider in all this (and I've probably exhausted my thoughts) >is what the major pianist/scholars are doing in this respect. Pianists like >Brendl, Schnabel, Perahia, and most of not virtually all others who pour >over original source material, biographies, writings, documents in order to >glean that small little detail that adds to their commitment to a more >authentic interpretation of the music as conceived by the composer. Of all >these people it seems (and I say this with the caveat that I have not >actually done the research) that most if not all of them, when choosing to >record/perform, opt for ET. While there may be a few who, to their credit, >are exploring these pieces in the temperaments of the times, they are a >stark minority. To suggest that the leading interpreters of classical music >of the last century take such pains for authenticity while rejecting the, we >assume, prevailing tuning style of the times forces you to the conclusion >that they either consciously chose to reject it because it wasn't in their >view relevant to the music and authentic interpretation, or that they >are/were ignorant, biased or, as Bremmer suggests, did it for some strange >business reason. Considering the extent to which they research these issues >and their apparent commitment to the original intent of the composers leads >me to the conclusion that the tuning style was rejected consciously and that >it was not relevant, in their view, to an authentic and musical >interpretation. Who am I to argue? If there is real evidence to the >contrary, I'm open to hearing it. > >David Love >davidlovepianos@comcast.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org >[<mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org>mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf >Of Ric Brekne >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:48 AM >To: pianotech >Subject: (careful, it is about temperaments) > >As to the matter of conclusive.... we of course agree. I dont anyone >can claim conclusive proof one way or the other either... not by a long >shot. That said, I /believe/ that composers were affected by the sounds >around them... perfect pitch aware or not. I try to imagine my self in >that same enviroment... could I not be influenced ? Could it not be a >significant part of why I choose any particular key ? Well... we will >never know perhaps... I'm not sure it really matters much. Certainly >much in that world is there to be explored... if not re-explored. > >Cheers >RicB > >While I think the exploration of WT has it's own interest in terms of what >the composers of that day may have been hearing when they actually played >their works on the piano or related instrument, I think it is far from >conclusive that those who often conceived of and composed things away from >the instrument, with a keen sense of absolute pitch and the unique >characteristics of each key apart from the piano, with orchestration ever in >their minds would have been driven by tuning style that was evolving even >during their own lifetimes. >_______________________________________________ >Pianotech list info: ><https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > >_______________________________________________ >Pianotech list info: ><https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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