Where's the action (cloth)?

[Porritt, David]

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Alan:

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I avoid rebushing an action center when I can, but when I have to it's
Titebond for me.  While hide glue is good glue, I think it is revered in
our circles beyond it's due.  It's fussy, has to be the right
temperature, keep stirring and adding water to keep the right
consistency, watch for evidence of bacteria.....  A lot of the time -
maybe most of the time - there are other glues that will do just as well
or even better.  PVC-E is good glue though I haven't tried it on action
centers, it's my choice for key bushings.  It is fast, holds well, and
is removed even easier than hide glue.  My glue pot stays on the shelf
the vast majority of the time.=20

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As to rebushing a flange for the RPT test, remember there are enough
points in the things that are important (like things you'll really do in
your work) that you can just skip a couple of what I think of as the
silly ones.  I'd mention what some of the silly ones are, but my flame
suit is getting old and I can't afford a new one.  :-)

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dave

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David M. Porritt

dporritt@smu.edu

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From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On
Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:20 PM
To: 'Pianotech'
Subject: RE: Where's the action (cloth)?

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Wow ... it IS hard to say things right and I missed the mark, too! I had
taken no offense at your post, mi amigo. In fact, I appreciated your
reply, as always.

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Now the dilemma is that I'm soon to take the RPT Technical Exam (I know,
finally, at long last, what kept ya?) which requires rebushing a grand
hammer flange. No waiting overnight allowed, I'm told

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In fact, a concern I have is that I will go to all the trouble to glue
the felt in then push out some of it out when I pin/ream/burnish the
darn thing--and then be out of time. So it may not be the best "shrink
sized" or "soft felt" center in the world, but I want something that
will be adequate, set up fairly fast, and HOLD. But no, I don't want to
take a glue pot to the convention just to make two little globs o' glue.

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I'm thinkin' Titebond or maybe PVC-E.

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What have others used in this kind of time-crunch repair? That's what
I'd like to know.

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Alan R. Barnard

Salem, MO

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	From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Terry
	Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:00 PM
	To: Pianotech
	Subject: Re: Where's the action (cloth)?

	You are welcome. I apologize - sometimes I know my responses as
a teeny little bit smart a$$y. You are correct - their felt products are
not on the web site. I simply called them. You can order as many or as
few as you wish. Only one size. If I recall correctly, they are $2 per
strip (but I could be WAY off with that).

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	I honestly don't know how to rush drying the bushings. I've
always just done it in my shop and had the luxury of time. I'd be
tempted to experiment with other glues like Titebond in the shop first
to make sure it didn't go too far into the felt (maybe use sparingly and
let air dry until tacky???).

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	Have you used the Renner bushing felt before? Be sure to use
their training tool (to get the felt to go through the flange easy. I
pull my felt through the flange, one cut, thread a bunch of flanges on a
long center pin wire (or individual wires), and then apply a 50/50 mix
of water/alcohol and let dry overnight. Works great. Depending on how
much friction you are after controls what size wire you use to for
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	Terry Farrell

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		From: Alan <mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net> =20

		To: 'Pianotech' <mailto:pianotech@ptg.org> =20

		Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:58 PM

		Subject: RE: Where's the action (cloth)?

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		Well, thanks Terry.=20

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		I had checked out their website but if they post any
prices or even list their felt products on there, they sure have them
hidden. I emailed them. Do you have to call them to order, THEN find out
the cost? If so, that would be very Steinway of them.

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		I guess for field repairs, one could dab on a little
Titebond.

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		Alan R. Barnard

		Salem, MO

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			From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Terry
			Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:40 AM
			To: Pianotech
			Subject: Re: Where's the action (cloth)?

			Alan R. Barnard asks:

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			"Who sells Renner cloth?"

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			Ummmmmm......... Renner  www.rennerusa.com . I
just ordered some from them a week or so ago. I assume you are speaking
of action center bushing cloth (that's the pre-glued stuff)?

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			"From those who use it, please: Bill Spurlock
says to let the pre-glued stuff dry for "several hours." This would not
seem to work if used for field repairs or the RPT Technical ...
thoughts?"

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			Yup, takes a few hours - at least. I just let it
dry overnight. How well do you know your client?

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			Might need to use plain cloth and hot hide glue
- oops, there we go again, now we've got to heat hot hide glue on-site -
for one little action center bushing?

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			Just might need to bring part back to shop, fix
and return at a later date. "Quality work can't be rushed!" Check out
some of the piano manufacturers web sites - I'm sure you'll find some
good sounding stuff there from their marketing departments....

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			"What stock of sizes should one purchase, not
for shop work but just the odd field repair?"

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			I stock all of their one size - that way I can
always have the right size!

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			Terry Farrell

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