Hi Ric. - and others...
To the topic of C7 out of the box I realized with quite surprise that it was
ME we were talking about. I feel urged to make some comments. ...Yes you
are right Quinten this story is strange, - and having been live on the
described "scene" the whole time I would say it's almost surrealistic...
First to the facts.: as Antares described, the most dealers in the world get
their Yamaha instruments through a Yamaha Centre, - so in US, Central Europe
and so on. They are unpacked, -prepped, - and then as I've heard packed into
the box again before going to the dealers. But we in the Scandinavia get
our instruments via Gothenburg
(Sweden), unprepped, direct from Japan.
In fact, as a specialist piano dealer, I kind of prefer it this way. Okay,
itīs somewhat variable in shape by arrival., but then you know that
"nothing" is done and you know where to start. I forgot to tell you Ric,
but we do get an extra 7% discount because of this. These things gives us, -
the piano people, the perfect lead of the dilettantes you know.And Yamaha is
one of the few brands where you really gets credit for your work all the
way.
In the case of this actual C7, I feel the need to calm the public down.
Okay, it was a little more rough than normal, but without too much
"shopdisturbance" it's done in a day. An extended version of David's 4 big
tweaks and it's ready for the discriminating customers. For the concert
prepp, - I īll wait until it's on the stage and then I īll use the needed
3 - 4 extra hours for checking up all thinkable things ones again.
The C6 that we were supposed to have unboxed the other evening have in fact
been in the shop for some 8 months, an was in fact taken from the German
Yamaha Centre in Hamburg as an experiment, just to check out these things we
are discussing now. Strange coincident. And it was better than average, -
but as you say Ric." Lot of problems here too.". So then what..?!
And to this who's slipping and who's not..The latest "L" version of the C
series is in my opinion one of the greatest achievements Yamaha has ever
done. They have never been better.
As I know the Yamaha system, and Japanese people in general (stuck to specs
and recipes as they are)I would seriously warn anybody to use this method, -
as suggested of pinging them (I think you are crazy....!)
And, Ric, - to this other matter about longitudal and transversal
frequencies, - you are right (and I'm wrong).I've checked in the book, and I
can reassure you that Claus Fenner doesn't think longditudal frequencies is
solely responsible for the sound of the piano. On the contrary. So
please, - keep him out of it..
Cheers Nils Henrik Jansen - RPT
Bergen - Norway
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "antares" <antares@euronet.nl>
> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Yamahas C7 out of the box
>
>
> >I have been working for Yamaha quite some time and I am familiar with
what
> >Richard was describing.
> > Basically it is like this :
> > The instrument is manufactured, of course in Hamamatsu.
> > It is then shipped to a distribution center 'somewhere' else.
> > During that voyage instruments usually react to changes in temperature
and
> > humidity and that's why they need a service check in a distribution
> > center.
> > In that distribution center there are people who check these instruments
> > before they go to the dealers.
> > For a check up there is an allowance for a limited time.
> > The final quality depends on the training and technical capacities of
the
> > hired technicians in the distribution center.
> > Most of the technicians working in those distribution centers have never
> > had any training in Hamamatsu.
> >
> > The level of training in the Academy is very high, and usually on a
higher
> > level than in the distribution centers.
> >
> > EAR
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12-jan-05, at 9:58, David Andersen wrote:
> >
> >>> Hi folks.
> >>>
> >>> Having just been to the Yamaha Acadamies GP and Masters courses this
> >>> past few months in Hamamatsu, I'm rather familiar with what the
Acadamy
> >>> folks expect from one of their grands. And a C7 is one of their better
> >>> offerings so I expect they'd be rather picky about most things.
> >>>
> >>> Saturday and yesterday I had the opportunity to open one of these up
on
> >>> the floor of the local dealer, something I havent done much of since
my
> >>> Sherman and Clay days in Seattle, and I was really shocked at the
amount
> >>> of prep work needed to get this thing operative. We are talking about
15
> >>> hours solid prep work to come reasonable close to concert regulation,
> >>> tuning, and voiceing. No way this was carefully voiced in the
remotest
> >>> sense of the word. They just dont get that uneven and remain so
harshly
> >>> bright from sitting in the box for a while. Regulation... from the
> >>> bottom up absolutely everything had to be re-done...
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey, Ric. I've never, and I mean never, had any experience remotely
close
> >> to
> >> what you describe, and I've prepared new C7s, and all other C series
> >> instruments, consistently, every month, for the past 5 years, until
right
> >> now. Yamaha C series grands have been very, very close out of the box,
> >> relative to almost all other manufactured pianos, and many hand-made
> >> pianos.
> >> I've never felt like I couldn't get one into creamy
performance/recording
> >> shape in a day, and that's mostly my 4 big tweaks---spring strength,
jack
> >> position, jack height, and glides---string leveling if necessary, a
> >> killer
> >> tuning, and some light-to-moderate voicing passes in the high tenor/low
> >> treble---and then as much more precise and refined action regulation as
> >> you
> >> have time for, i.e., finding/confirming the backcheck "sweet spot,"
> >> refining
> >> the spring strength, setting the letoff slightly closer, refining the
> >> aftertouch----ad infinitum.
> >>
> >> In a very few pianos I've had to address key binding of any kind; in
one
> >> C5
> >> I had to reset the damper timing; but that's literally it as far as
any
> >> out-of-the-ordinary scenarios vis a vis the normally impeccable
standards
> >> of
> >> preparation.
> >>
> >> That's a weird story, Ric. I would never say it's not true, but it's
> >> weird,
> >> compared to my experience....
> >>
> >> Nitey nite......
> >>
> >> David Andersen
> >>
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> > friendly greetings
> > from
> > André Oorebeek
> >
> > Vita Dura Est
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