Well what a welcome suprise! :) Welcome to Piano Tech Nils. A few comments if you will. First its good to know the direct route these instruments take. I has suspected (and mentioned in one post) that these (this one anyways) had not been opened since leaving Japan. As stated earlier, I havent unboxed brand new instruments for a good long while, but despite that this instrument seemed quite out of order compared to earlier experience. To recount the things that we found. --All keys were binding, and there was quite a bit of side friction in the bushings. --Bedding screws were well out of wack. --keys were well out of level requiring more then just a quick run through --key dip was at the outset around 11 mm. --hammer allignment was not anywhere close --hammer travel required about 15 minutes of attention. --the entire action regulation needed redoing... (you werent there for most of that, but jack position and height was well off, back checking was 20 + mm and very uneven, --letoff and drop likewise, repetition springs were extremely strong) --both sustanato and damper lift pedals were out. On top of that we had quite a bit of dampers lifting at different times, many of those twisting off to one way or another, some of those again pulling off in sideways directions. Again... far more then a simple run through to get in concert condition. In addition is all your usual prep work, at least that which you showed me. These include -- aggressive string seating on the bridge -- sideways pushing of the strings against the front bridge pin to create a bend around the bridge -- string leveling (Goose Tool :) ) bass, tenor, and lower treble -- circa 100 jabs on each shoulder of this piano bench voicing -- filing of hammers, re-mating to strinngs -- tuning as neccessary (you go to 445 I believe in the first pass, so that has got to result in around 1.5 hours tuning minimum.) -- final voicing. On saturday I was there from 10 am to 6 pm. On Sunday from 2 pm to 6 pm. You did the voicing, string work and tuning work, what... 4 hours minumum there ?. We got it pretty good, but it could be better for sure, despite 16 hours of work all in all. So I have to disagree in your 8 hour figure below, at least in the case of this instrument. Which is why I posted all this in the begginning. Then... as to the rest of your post. I dont think you have to worry about cooling any upproar about Yamaha here Nils. These kinds of querries come and go all the time here. Often when something like this comes up, someone just posts a commentary to just bounce off the rest of the list. The PR value (or damage) any such discussion has is near null. Anyways a wholeistic reading of the list over years reveals a very very high respect for Yamaha, Steinway, Kawaii, and nearly all other big players on the feild by most list participants. Lastly... the Fenner thing. Grin... you have to relate this to a huge discussion of a couple years back when we had a few other folks on the list. Big fight, lots of interesting stuff, and it went on forever seemingly. I run into related discussions from time to time, and when I do I generally post them to the list. As far as your own position on the mater is concerned, there are quite a few people who think along similiar lines. Not all of these are people you can just ignore either. I dont think really anyone knows the whole truth of the soundboard vibration thingy. It doesnt really mater anyways... its just a discussion yes ? Glad to see you on the list Cheers RicB NH Jansen/ Bg.piano wrote: >Hi Ric. - and others... > >To the topic of C7 out of the box I realized with quite surprise that it was >ME we were talking about. I feel urged to make some comments. ...Yes you >are right Quinten this story is strange, - and having been live on the >described "scene" the whole time I would say it's almost surrealistic... > >First to the facts.: as Antares described, the most dealers in the world get >their Yamaha instruments through a Yamaha Centre, - so in US, Central Europe >and so on. They are unpacked, -prepped, - and then as I've heard packed into >the box again before going to the dealers. But we in the Scandinavia get >our instruments via Gothenburg >(Sweden), unprepped, direct from Japan. > >In fact, as a specialist piano dealer, I kind of prefer it this way. Okay, >itīs somewhat variable in shape by arrival., but then you know that > "nothing" is done and you know where to start. I forgot to tell you Ric, >but we do get an extra 7% discount because of this. These things gives us, - >the piano people, the perfect lead of the dilettantes you know.And Yamaha is >one of the few brands where you really gets credit for your work all the >way. > >In the case of this actual C7, I feel the need to calm the public down. >Okay, it was a little more rough than normal, but without too much >"shopdisturbance" it's done in a day. An extended version of David's 4 big >tweaks and it's ready for the discriminating customers. For the concert >prepp, - I īll wait until it's on the stage and then I īll use the needed >3 - 4 extra hours for checking up all thinkable things ones again. > >The C6 that we were supposed to have unboxed the other evening have in fact >been in the shop for some 8 months, an was in fact taken from the German >Yamaha Centre in Hamburg as an experiment, just to check out these things we >are discussing now. Strange coincident. And it was better than average, - >but as you say Ric." Lot of problems here too.". So then what..?! > >And to this who's slipping and who's not..The latest "L" version of the C >series is in my opinion one of the greatest achievements Yamaha has ever >done. They have never been better. > >As I know the Yamaha system, and Japanese people in general (stuck to specs >and recipes as they are)I would seriously warn anybody to use this method, - >as suggested of pinging them (I think you are crazy....!) > >And, Ric, - to this other matter about longitudal and transversal >frequencies, - you are right (and I'm wrong).I've checked in the book, and I >can reassure you that Claus Fenner doesn't think longditudal frequencies is >solely responsible for the sound of the piano. On the contrary. So >please, - keep him out of it.. > >Cheers Nils Henrik Jansen - RPT > Bergen - Norway > > >
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