Let's Get This Settled was How to explain a pitchadjustment..and!

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:58:19 -0800


A concert D that was 65 cents  flat is not in the position to be a concert instrument as far as tuning stability...

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, California



----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "pianolover 88" <pianolover88@hotmail.com>
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Received: 12/20/2005 10:04:47 PM
Subject: RE: Let's Get This Settled was How to explain a pitchadjustment..and!


>Do you think that if a concert D that had to be tuned for a major recital, 
>recording, etc., that was, say 65C flat would be perfectly stable after a 
>single pitch raise and one fine tuning?

>Terry Peterson



>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
>To: "'Pianotech'" <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Subject: RE: Let's Get This Settled was How to explain a 
>pitchadjustment..and!
>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:56:41 -0800

>My experience says it doesn't matter.  Once you correct the pitch and do a
>fine tuning, all other things remaining constant, the piano will stay in
>tune.  The piano doesn't really settle.  Moving the piano cross country may
>challenge the piano in terms of EMC but nothing more.  An upright can go out
>of tune with a move across the room because the four point weight bearing
>can tweak the stresses in the case a bit if the floor is not exactly level.
>The three point weight bearing of a grand makes it immune to such problems.

>David Love
>davidlovepianos@comcast.net

>-----Original Message-----
>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf
>Of Alan Barnard
>Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:25 PM
>To: Pianotech
>Subject: Let's Get This Settled was How to explain a pitch adjustment..and!

>Terry's post begs the question (and please understand I ain't challingin'
>nobody on nuttin' ... I'm just seeking information and opinions and
>science, here) ...

>Do a piano really need time to "settle" after ..

>1. Big pitch change?
>2. Small pitch change?
>3. Moving it across country? (other than environmental acclimation)
>4  Moving it across the room?

>I have been under the impression--and it may be altogether wacky--that
>every change that is going to occur in the piano occurs immediatly upon
>cranking the pin. I thought someone (Dr. Sanderson, perhaps) tested this
>and proved it.

>So an adjunct question: Let's say we find a piano 15 cents flat. We pitch
>correct and fine tune and walk out the door with a follow-up appointment
>set for three months. When that day arrives, for those who have set such
>appointments, is the piano any flatter or more sour than it would have been
>if we found it A440 but still came back in three months?

>Same question, only now the piano was originally 35 cents flat. 60 cents?
>120 cents?

>Certainly I've restrung pianos and found them pretty sick in a couple of
>months but have always attributed that to new wire stretch, not tension
>settling.

>Helmet on, raincoat on, rubber duckie in hand, I await your missives, if
>not missiles ...

>Alan Barnard
>Salem, Missouri


> > [Original Message]
> > From: pianolover 88 <pianolover88@hotmail.com>
> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Date: 12/20/2005 6:24:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: How to explain a pitch adjustment..and!
> >
> > Depending on the amount of PR, ususally more than 12C, I always schedule
>a
> > "follow-up" tuning in 1-3 months, explaining that after restoring all
>that
> > loststring tension, the piano now must "settle" and adjust to that added
> > tension, and it some shifting of will occur. So the follow-up is crucial
>in
> > building long term stabilty. And that tuning will leave the piano much
>more
> > stable because tuning pin movement will be much smaller than during the
> > initial PR and tuning. Again, never a problem. Yes, it does help to have
>a
> > high confidence level and be able to effectively communicate and impart
> > information to your client in a clearand concice manner. I am a salesman
>as
> > well as a technician; that has made the difference between just getting
>by
> > to making a six figures.
> >
> > Terry Peterson


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