Let's Get This Settled was How to explain a pitchadjustment..and!

jonathan stuchell jstuchell@verizon.net
Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:59:46 -0500


hope its a free concert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:58 AM
Subject: RE: Let's Get This Settled was How to explain a 
pitchadjustment..and!


>A concert D that was 65 cents  flat is not in the position to be a concert 
>instrument as far as tuning stability...
>
> David Ilvedson, RPT
> Pacifica, California
>
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>
> ----- Original message ----------------------------------------
> From: "pianolover 88" <pianolover88@hotmail.com>
> To: pianotech@ptg.org
> Received: 12/20/2005 10:04:47 PM
> Subject: RE: Let's Get This Settled was How to explain a 
> pitchadjustment..and!
>
>
>>Do you think that if a concert D that had to be tuned for a major recital,
>>recording, etc., that was, say 65C flat would be perfectly stable after a
>>single pitch raise and one fine tuning?
>
>>Terry Peterson
>
>
>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos@comcast.net>
>>Reply-To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
>>To: "'Pianotech'" <pianotech@ptg.org>
>>Subject: RE: Let's Get This Settled was How to explain a
>>pitchadjustment..and!
>>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:56:41 -0800
>
>>My experience says it doesn't matter.  Once you correct the pitch and do a
>>fine tuning, all other things remaining constant, the piano will stay in
>>tune.  The piano doesn't really settle.  Moving the piano cross country 
>>may
>>challenge the piano in terms of EMC but nothing more.  An upright can go 
>>out
>>of tune with a move across the room because the four point weight bearing
>>can tweak the stresses in the case a bit if the floor is not exactly 
>>level.
>>The three point weight bearing of a grand makes it immune to such 
>>problems.
>
>>David Love
>>davidlovepianos@comcast.net
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On 
>>Behalf
>>Of Alan Barnard
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:25 PM
>>To: Pianotech
>>Subject: Let's Get This Settled was How to explain a pitch 
>>adjustment..and!
>
>>Terry's post begs the question (and please understand I ain't challingin'
>>nobody on nuttin' ... I'm just seeking information and opinions and
>>science, here) ...
>
>>Do a piano really need time to "settle" after ..
>
>>1. Big pitch change?
>>2. Small pitch change?
>>3. Moving it across country? (other than environmental acclimation)
>>4  Moving it across the room?
>
>>I have been under the impression--and it may be altogether wacky--that
>>every change that is going to occur in the piano occurs immediatly upon
>>cranking the pin. I thought someone (Dr. Sanderson, perhaps) tested this
>>and proved it.
>
>>So an adjunct question: Let's say we find a piano 15 cents flat. We pitch
>>correct and fine tune and walk out the door with a follow-up appointment
>>set for three months. When that day arrives, for those who have set such
>>appointments, is the piano any flatter or more sour than it would have 
>>been
>>if we found it A440 but still came back in three months?
>
>>Same question, only now the piano was originally 35 cents flat. 60 cents?
>>120 cents?
>
>>Certainly I've restrung pianos and found them pretty sick in a couple of
>>months but have always attributed that to new wire stretch, not tension
>>settling.
>
>>Helmet on, raincoat on, rubber duckie in hand, I await your missives, if
>>not missiles ...
>
>>Alan Barnard
>>Salem, Missouri
>
>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: pianolover 88 <pianolover88@hotmail.com>
>> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> > Date: 12/20/2005 6:24:24 PM
>> > Subject: Re: How to explain a pitch adjustment..and!
>> >
>> > Depending on the amount of PR, ususally more than 12C, I always 
>> > schedule
>>a
>> > "follow-up" tuning in 1-3 months, explaining that after restoring all
>>that
>> > loststring tension, the piano now must "settle" and adjust to that 
>> > added
>> > tension, and it some shifting of will occur. So the follow-up is 
>> > crucial
>>in
>> > building long term stabilty. And that tuning will leave the piano much
>>more
>> > stable because tuning pin movement will be much smaller than during the
>> > initial PR and tuning. Again, never a problem. Yes, it does help to 
>> > have
>>a
>> > high confidence level and be able to effectively communicate and impart
>> > information to your client in a clearand concice manner. I am a 
>> > salesman
>>as
>> > well as a technician; that has made the difference between just getting
>>by
>> > to making a six figures.
>> >
>> > Terry Peterson
>
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