Steinway M

[David Love]

I think those who argue for improved designs are probably making those
arguments based on empiricism, not with disregard to it.  Implied in these
and other comments is that an attempt to produce a better design somehow
means that the desire is to remove the variable of the art or craft of
getting the most out of that design.  I haven't read that in any of the
designers' comments.  Rather, I see the ideas as attempts to remove some of
the obstacles to achieving artistic goals on a more consistent basis.  

David Love
davidlovepianos@earthlink.net


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Brekne <Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no>
> To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Date: 9/8/2003 4:09:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Steinway M
>
>
>
> John Hartman wrote:
>
> >
> > But Ron, I am making waves! Just that my waves say that we have been
> > failing to meet the challenge of developing the craft and aesthetic
> > understanding that is vital to getting the most out of the many fine
> > pianos we technicians are likely to come across in our careers. If we
> > would just do this many of the these engineering issues will fade into
> > the background. If there is an "endemic problem" I think it is with
> > putting science before art and craft.
> >
>
> Here Here !!... And I might add the sometimes near total disregard for
plain
> old fashioned empiricism. Its fine and dandy to push numbers around,
adding
> or subtracting this or that known quantity to form this or that
mathematical
> maodel of some or another system... but loosing track of what is actually
out
> there... insisting that real life pianos conform to some theoritical idea
of
> a piano... or dismissing it as worthless in some or another fashion... is
> just ... well it doesnt add up :)
>
> > Many of us are frustrated by how hard this work is and how long it takes
> > to  master. We dream about pianos that will be so design as to emerge
> > from the factory  without the many faults that plague us now. Pianos
> > that will never disappoint us or our clients and will never challenge
> > our skills. There will not be a need to know how to suppress false beats
> > or expand the dynamic range. They probably would not need voicing or
> > regular tuning either. Pianos that anyone can build, anyone can tune and
> > anyone can repair and rebuild.
> >
> > Well Ron that's not going to happen for me, I live in the real world!
> >
> > John Hartman RPT
>
> I'm all for developing new ideas and new sounds, and new actions, and the
> rest of it. I just fail to see what such admirable endeavour has to do
with
> all the wild condemnations of other building techniques and philosophies.
> Ofte times it seems to me that many of these same advocates who decry the
> stiffled state of development in our industry would simply replace that
with
> yet another such ideology. One way or the other... it all comes out
as...."
> there's two ways of doing things... My way... or the wrong way".... or so
it
> sometimes would appear.
>
> > John Hartman Pianos
>
> Whats wrong with a little positivism in all this anyways ?
>
> --
> Richard Brekne
> RPT, N.P.T.F.
> UiB, Bergen, Norway
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