Right on! If inferior design enhances our artistic side, then we should be thrilled with Kimballs and Couriers. It takes a good artist to make a good painting, but the good ones start with good canvas rather than black velvet. dave *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/8/2003 at 7:15 AM David Love wrote: >I think those who argue for improved designs are probably making those >arguments based on empiricism, not with disregard to it. Implied in these >and other comments is that an attempt to produce a better design somehow >means that the desire is to remove the variable of the art or craft of >getting the most out of that design. I haven't read that in any of the >designers' comments. Rather, I see the ideas as attempts to remove some of >the obstacles to achieving artistic goals on a more consistent basis. > >David Love >davidlovepianos@earthlink.net > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Richard Brekne <Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no> >> To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> >> Date: 9/8/2003 4:09:08 AM >> Subject: Re: Steinway M >> >> >> >> John Hartman wrote: >> >> > >> > But Ron, I am making waves! Just that my waves say that we have been >> > failing to meet the challenge of developing the craft and aesthetic >> > understanding that is vital to getting the most out of the many fine >> > pianos we technicians are likely to come across in our careers. If we >> > would just do this many of the these engineering issues will fade into >> > the background. If there is an "endemic problem" I think it is with >> > putting science before art and craft. >> > >> >> Here Here !!... And I might add the sometimes near total disregard for >plain >> old fashioned empiricism. Its fine and dandy to push numbers around, >adding >> or subtracting this or that known quantity to form this or that >mathematical >> maodel of some or another system... but loosing track of what is actually >out >> there... insisting that real life pianos conform to some theoritical idea >of >> a piano... or dismissing it as worthless in some or another fashion... is >> just ... well it doesnt add up :) >> >> > Many of us are frustrated by how hard this work is and how long it >takes >> > to master. We dream about pianos that will be so design as to emerge >> > from the factory without the many faults that plague us now. Pianos >> > that will never disappoint us or our clients and will never challenge >> > our skills. There will not be a need to know how to suppress false >beats >> > or expand the dynamic range. They probably would not need voicing or >> > regular tuning either. Pianos that anyone can build, anyone can tune >and >> > anyone can repair and rebuild. >> > >> > Well Ron that's not going to happen for me, I live in the real world! >> > >> > John Hartman RPT >> >> I'm all for developing new ideas and new sounds, and new actions, and the >> rest of it. I just fail to see what such admirable endeavour has to do >with >> all the wild condemnations of other building techniques and philosophies. >> Ofte times it seems to me that many of these same advocates who decry the >> stiffled state of development in our industry would simply replace that >with >> yet another such ideology. One way or the other... it all comes out >as...." >> there's two ways of doing things... My way... or the wrong way".... or so >it >> sometimes would appear. >> >> > John Hartman Pianos >> >> Whats wrong with a little positivism in all this anyways ? >> >> -- >> Richard Brekne >> RPT, N.P.T.F. >> UiB, Bergen, Norway >> mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no >> http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html >> http://www.hf.uib.no/grieg/personer/cv_RB.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > >_______________________________________________ >pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives **************** END MESSAGE FROM David Love ********************* _____________________________ David M. Porritt dporritt@mail.smu.edu Meadows School of the Arts Southern Methodist University Dallas, TX 75275 _____________________________
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