This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Re: Belly rail crown - Why??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Overs=20 To: Pianotech=20 Sent: November 18, 2002 4:13 AM Subject: Re: Belly rail crown - Why??? To listees concerned with sound board installation, Again I find myself questioning a long standing tradition in piano = making, and why it should be so done. The theory of sound board curvature (whatever that might be) tells us = that the shape of a sound board panel ideally should conform to that of = a sector of a sphere. Since it has been decided that the sound board = should be installed so that it experiences less stress, makers = historically have decided that there must be a rise in the centre of the = belly rail to accommodate the spherically shaped 'board (6mm or 1/4" = would seem to be a typical figure). As well you should. In the above you bring up three assumptions I have questioned over the = years. First, that the soundboard should be installed 'less stress.' = Second, that there should be a rise in the center of the belly to = accommodate the spherically shaped soundboard. And, third, that the = shape of the soundboard should be spherical. The whole idea of soundboard crown and its subsequent physical = distortion by the effect of string loading is to distort -- stress -- = the thing.=20 I am wondering about the validity of this practice, since the board = does not in reality assume a spherical shape. It would appear to be = crowned more or less perpendicular to the 'line' of the long bridge, ie. = along the line of the ribs. Furthermore, the treble corner tends to curl = up like a potato crisp after the ribs have been fitted, which would = cause the raised centre of the belly rail to place the glued down belly = under even greater stress than if the belly rail was made straight. As you say, no soundboard panel is crowned to a true spherical shape. = More typically it will take on either a cylindrical shape or, possibly, = a slightly conical shape. With only one exception that I am aware of no manufacturer has shaped a = rim to accommodate a spherical soundboard shape and that was Kimball in = its later years. Of course by then they were using laminated soundboards = exclusively. Some vertical piano makers do shape their soundboard liners = to a more-or-less spherical shape but it is generally only a fraction of = the shaping that would be required to really match the claimed shape of = the soundboard assembly. At best crowning the bellyrail takes care of only one relatively short = span of the soundboards edge. What about the rest? Just sitting at an empty case thinking about this, I can see no = disadvantage in setting the belly rail straight. In fact with the piano = I am setting up at present, the cut off bar extends so far across to the = treble end of belly rail that the 'board will not be supported by the = belly rail until the highest treble section is reached. The cut off rail = I am building is a continuously curved member of 30 mm depth and 40 mm = wide. It will be glued to the back posts, and the entire non-sound board = bass corner will be filled in with a 19 mm thick plywood piece which = will butt up to the sound board panel over the cut off bar. This is = intended to provide a high level of lateral support for the cut off bar = and sound board perimeter. I can see no advantage in setting any part of = the sound board perimeter at a height other than that of the inner rim. It is my practice to set the rim and bellyrail, including the soundboard = cutoff rail, flat. Since the soundboard will be stressed -- i.e., have = considerably less crown -- once the strings go on I prefer to have a = flat, consistent mounting surface for the parameter of the board. = Besides, my cutoff bars tend to be so shaped that very little of the = soundboard is actually glued to the bellyrail. And, while we're on the subject, for the same reasons I fail to see any = advantage to beveling the inner rim to (supposedly) accommodate the = shape of the soundboard. It is claimed that this somehow aids the = maintenance of crown but I surely don't see how. To illustrate simply = clamp a piece of spruce to a bench and see how easily it is bent. Del ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/8e/c6/34/de/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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