pianotech-digest V2000 #1083

Ed Carwithen edwithen@oregontrail.net
Sun, 03 Dec 2000 20:06:53 -0800


Hi Joe:

Yes I did look at that, and they all seem to be.  I got another private
post from a tech who worked with Kimballs, and had found several that had
the same problem.  He suggests bending the spoons fractionally.

Thanks for the post

Ed


At 07:49 PM 12/02/2000 -0700, you wrote:
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>pianotech-digest     Saturday, December 2 2000     Volume 2000 : Number 1083
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>Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:30:51 -0600
>From: Ron Nossaman <RNossaman@KSCABLE.com>
>Subject: More Pearle river
>
>>Technical Content:
>>As per Ron N's Pearle River thingees.....I have tuned/serviced aprox 12 of 
>>these, mostly verticals models. Out of this small grouping I would have 
>>recommended that a customers of mine purchase only two and only then when 
>>money was the 'paramount' issue but a new instrument was desired. But it 
>>needs to be said that a Pearle River instrument of today is better than one 
>>from two years ago.
>>Jim Bryant (FL)
>
>Thanks Jim. One more thing I forgot to mention. In the vertical, it was
>very audibly obvious where the bridge was cut out around the tenor/treble
>strut. Overall, they do seem to be improving some year by year.
>
>Ron N
>
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>
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:52:54 -0700
>From: "Joe & Penny Goss" <imatunr@primenet.com>
>Subject: Re: Aeolian Player Action Removal
>
>meaning.  In your post,
>> are you saying that disconnecting the tracker bar while leaving the
>> tubing attached simply will not work? Or, are you saying that it's just
>> not  worth the effort?  Or both?  Thanks.
>> -
>Yep to both.
>Joe
>
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>
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:56:46 -0700
>From: "Joe & Penny Goss" <imatunr@primenet.com>
>Subject: Re: Damper lift rod
>
>Hi Ed,
>When you have the action out check and see if the spoons are all pressed
>into the wippen the same distance.
>Joe Goss
>- ----- Original Message -----
>From: Ed Carwithen <edwithen@oregontrail.net>
>To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 12:29 PM
>Subject: Damper lift rod
>
>
>> Good morning Gentlemen:
>>
>> some advice please!
>>
>> I Did a Kimball studio type piano a couple of days ago.  It had not been
>> tuned for a number of years.. was 30 c flat.  Piano about 20 years old,
>and
>> in generally fine condition.  Tuned up nicely...BUT when I checked the
>> pedals the sustain had a horrible screechy sound.  More than a squeek.
>Got
>> the action out, and the damper rod is brushing the tops of the damper
>> spoons as it operates.
>>   I did not attempt to make repairs at that time as the hour was late, and
>> the day had been long.  I am to come back and correct soon.
>>   I would guess that the piano may have been jarred somewhat when being
>> moved around from former house, causing the damper rod to fall.  I can't
>> imagine that the spoons have raised.  The rod actually touches some 25-30
>> spoons in every section.  You can see them wink when activating the
>sustain
>> pedal or with the action out by moving the sustain lever.
>>   It did not appear that the screws holding in the damper rod guides were
>> loose. I should have checked, but did not.  It will be an easy thing to
>> check.  I think that shaving a miniscule amount of metal off the top of
>the
>> damper spoons would correct the problem, unless there is some reason that
>> the rod would descend further.
>>
>>   Any thoughts?????????????????????
>>
>> Ed Carwithen
>> John Day
>>
>> P.S.  Interesting day!  My first tune for the day was in a small one room
>> school; only 15 students.  When I arrived there was no school!!  It had
>> burned down at 6 am the morning before!!  The poor teacher, a young guy in
>> his mid twenties, was shell shocked.
>> Fortunately (at least in my opinion) the piano had been in the gym, and
>the
>> gym was the only structure left standing.  The piano is fairly new and in
>> great condition; a pleasure to work on.  I did the piano, as they are
>going
>> ahead with their Christmas program, and school will be held in the gym for
>> the forseeable future.  Never a dull moment!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:17:50 -0500
>From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: Broadwood
>
>Hi Richard. I was involved with dating a Broadwood a while back. The lady
>had been told it was 1824, and I found out it was 1873. My few suggestions
>are based on my experience with that piano. Look for the serial number at
>the bass end of the pinblock. Examine the plate - cast iron, steel plate,
>struts - one piece or sectional, straight strung, action type, number of
>keys. Pretty cool pianos. Please post what you find!
>
>Terry Farrell
>Piano Tuning & Service
>Tampa, Florida
>mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
>
>- ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Brekne" <Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no>
>To: "PTG" <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 11:00 AM
>Subject: Broadwood
>
>
>> Hi list.
>>
>> Well, I had a chance finally to have a look at this old Broadwood. Looks
>to
>> be in pretty good shape really. A few small cracks in the soundboard and
>> pinblock but nothing serious. Case is dinged up a bit but in pretty good
>> shape as well. All the origional action parts are there, but the hammer
>and
>> damper felt have had it.
>>
>> By first look over, this would appear to be a prime candidate for an
>> authentic restoration job... ie museum definition of restoration, while
>> having very good chances for being made very playable as well.
>>
>> Cant find the serial number so if any of you can tell me where to look for
>> it I would be happy. I will see if I can borrow my sons digital camera and
>> take a few pictures for anyone interested.
>>
>> Also need advice as to what to do about the hammers. I suppose they should
>> be re-felted, instead of getting new ones. Stephen Birkett... you out
>there
>> ??
>>
>> --
>> Richard Brekne
>> RPT, N.P.T.F.
>> Bergen, Norway
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:20:04 -0500
>From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: Using computer to organize business
>
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>I use PTBiz and like it quite a lot. I do my billing with it also. It's =
>worth looking at. Nice package with call-back and reminder card =
>features. Email me if you have any specific questions.
>
>Terry Farrell
>Piano Tuning & Service
>Tampa, Florida
>mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
>  ----- Original Message -----=20
>  From: Doug Garman=20
>  To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
>  Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 8:35 AM
>  Subject: Using computer to organize business
>
>
>  This question goes to those of you who use the computer to keep track =
>of your business -- customer records, income, expenses, etc.  I would =
>really like to use the computer to get my growing business organized =
>before I lose total control (and valuable customers).
>  =20
>  Do you use one of the software programs written for our professison, =
>or have you come up with your own methods using a spreadsheet or =
>database?  I know "Excel" but could learn to use anything.  Rather than =
>reinventing the wheel I want to take advantage of the wealth of =
>experience on the list.
>
>  We just bought a new iMac.  I would like to write some or all of it =
>off as business expense.  :o) Yes, the family will use it, too.
>
>  You may respond to me personally at dgarman@granbury.com .  If =
>attaching an example of your spreadsheet or database helps you explain =
>your system, please do so.
>
>  Looking forward to your input.
>
>  Doug Garman, Associate, Ft. Worth Chapter
>  Granbury, TX
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><DIV>I use PTBiz and like it quite a lot. I do my billing with it also. =
>It's=20
>worth looking at. Nice package with call-back and reminder card =
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><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
><DIV>Terry Farrell<BR>Piano Tuning &amp; Service<BR>Tampa, Florida<BR><A =
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>  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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>  title=3Dpianotech@ptg.org>pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
>  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 02, =
>2000 8:35=20
>  AM</DIV>
>  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Using computer to =
>organize=20
>  business</DIV>
>  <DIV><BR></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This question goes to those of you =
>who use the=20
>  computer to keep track of your business -- customer records, income, =
>expenses,=20
>  etc.&nbsp; I would really like to use the computer to get my growing =
>business=20
>  organized before I lose total control (and valuable =
>customers).</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do you use one of the software =
>programs written=20
>  for our professison, or have you come up with your own methods using a =
>
>  spreadsheet or database?&nbsp; I know&nbsp;"Excel" but could learn to =
>use=20
>  anything.&nbsp; Rather than reinventing the wheel I want to take =
>advantage of=20
>  the wealth of experience on the list.</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We just bought a new iMac.&nbsp; I =
>would like to=20
>  write some or all of it off as business expense.&nbsp; :o) Yes, the =
>family=20
>  will use it, too.</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You may respond to me personally at =
><A=20
>  href=3D"mailto:dgarman@granbury.com">dgarman@granbury.com</A> .&nbsp; =
>If=20
>  attaching an example of your spreadsheet or database helps you explain =
>your=20
>  system, please do so.</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looking forward to =
>your&nbsp;input.</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Doug Garman, Associate, Ft. Worth=20
>  Chapter</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Granbury,=20
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>Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 20:15:54 -0200
>From: Clark <caccola@net1plus.com>
>Subject: Re: Broadwood
>
>Hi again, Richard,
>
>> Cant find the serial number so if any of you can tell me where to 
>> look for it I would be happy.
>
>Colt once more:
>
>> Many squares of up to 1836 or later had their dates written in ink 
>> or pencil on the bottom key, and occasionally, too, on the last key,
>> written either on top of the key lever where it is invisible until 
>> the key is removed. On some squares the date and keyboard maker's 
>> name occur on the actual keyboard frame, either in the bass or treble
>> _under_ the keys, so that only when the action is removed and the 
>> keys taken out is this little piece of information visible
>> 
>> The number is always put on the inside of the dust covers, which are 
>> usually green or white.
>
>Since this (like legs, lid, etc.) is missing from the earlier example in
>my shop, I's unhappy...
>
>
>Clark
>
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>
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:25:06 -0500
>From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: Variable overpull percentage (was: Finishing where you started)
>
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>The SAT III has two overpull settings to choose from. 25% for tenor and =
>33% for treble. For the bass, if it is say 30 cents flat, I measure =
>until it reads 20 cents flat and then calculate the 25% overpull based =
>on 20 cents flat. This 2/3 value works real good for me for the bass and =
>is easy to do. I'll cut the overpull down a little at about F7 or so, =
>and use the 25% overpull so the high treble doesn't get too sharp. On a =
>piano that is evenly below pitch, the SAT III gets me easily within a =
>cent or two of my target. There are often center strings and unisons =
>that I will not even change during the fine tuning.
>
>Terry Farrell
>Piano Tuning & Service
>Tampa, Florida
>mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
>  ----- Original Message -----=20
>  From: DGPEAKE@AOL.COM=20
>  To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
>  Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:48 PM
>  Subject: Re: Variable overpull percentage (was: Finishing where you =
>started)
>
>
>  In a message dated 12/1/00 6:50:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,=20
>  michel_lachance@hotmail.com writes:=20
>
>
>
>
>    No offense meant Dave and I thank you for straighten things up. I =
>have owed=20
>    a SAT II and I know that the overpull percentage is fixed for that =
>machine=20
>    (20% throughout or so).  If it is different for the SAT III, I beg =
>you to=20
>    update my knowledtge on that respect.=20
>
>    For example, if both strings each side of the tenor break are 10 =
>cents=20
>    flat,=20
>    RCT will raise the wound string by 12% over target pitch, and the =
>lowest=20
>    plain wire string by 32% over target pitch, because practice tells =
>us that=20
>    you need different overpull on those strings for an optimal pitch=20
>    correction.  That's why you have to tell RCT where the lowest plain =
>wire=20
>    note is before you start tuning.  The overpull percentage varies =
>throuhout=20
>    the keyboard (as well as the pitch offsets...) depending of the =
>section of=20
>    the piano, according to statistics made on actual experiments on =
>pitch=20
>    raises.  And you even have the option to change the overpull =
>percentage=20
>    chart if you find that a particular piano reacts differently to an =
>overpull.=20
>
>    So, for the sake of my own education, I would be grateful you tell =
>me what=20
>    the variable overpull percentages are on a SAT III and how you tell =
>the=20
>    machine where the lowest plain wire note is.=20
>
>    Regards,=20
>
>    Michel Lachance, RPT=20
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  I believe the overpull is 25% of the 2nd partial. Someone please =
>correct me=20
>  if I am wrong. (Jim, please pitch in). The SAT 3 is the same. I =
>usually=20
>  measure the lowest note of the plain wire, offset for pitch raise, and =
>
>  re-measure every octave or so.  I have no problems with doing a pitch =
>raise=20
>  using this method.  =20
>
>  Dave Peake, RPT=20
>  Portland Chapter=20
>  Oregon City, OR=20
>  www.davespianoworks.locality.com=20
>
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><DIV>The SAT III has two overpull settings to choose from. 25% for tenor =
>and 33%=20
>for treble. For the bass, if it is say 30 cents flat, I measure until it =
>reads=20
>20 cents flat and then calculate the 25% overpull based on 20 cents =
>flat. This=20
>2/3 value works real good for me for the bass and is easy to do. I'll =
>cut=20
>the&nbsp;overpull down a little&nbsp;at about F7 or so, and use the 25% =
>overpull=20
>so the high treble doesn't get too sharp. On a piano that is evenly =
>below pitch,=20
>the SAT III gets me easily within a cent or two of my target. There are =
>often=20
>center strings and unisons that I will not even change during the fine=20
>tuning.</DIV>
><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
><DIV>Terry Farrell<BR>Piano Tuning &amp; Service<BR>Tampa, Florida<BR><A =
>
>href=3D"mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</A></DI=
>V>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
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>  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
>  <DIV=20
>  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
>black"><B>From:</B>=20
>  <A href=3D"mailto:DGPEAKE@AOL.COM" =
>title=3DDGPEAKE@AOL.COM>DGPEAKE@AOL.COM</A>=20
>  </DIV>
>  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
>href=3D"mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"=20
>  title=3Dpianotech@ptg.org>pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
>  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 01, 2000 =
>9:48=20
>  PM</DIV>
>  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Variable overpull =
>percentage=20
>  (was: Finishing where you started)</DIV>
>  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D2>In a message dated 12/1/00 6:50:36 AM =
>Pacific=20
>  Standard Time, <BR><A=20
>  =
>href=3D"mailto:michel_lachance@hotmail.com">michel_lachance@hotmail.com</=
>A>=20
>  writes: <BR><BR><BR><BR>
>  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=20
>  TYPE=3D"CITE">No offense meant Dave and I thank you for straighten =
>things up.=20
>    I have owed <BR>a SAT II and I know that the overpull percentage is =
>fixed=20
>    for that machine <BR>(20% throughout or so). &nbsp;If it is =
>different for=20
>    the SAT III, I beg you to <BR>update my knowledtge on that respect.=20
>    <BR><BR>For example, if both strings each side of the tenor break =
>are 10=20
>    cents <BR>flat, <BR>RCT will raise the wound string by 12% over =
>target=20
>    pitch, and the lowest <BR>plain wire string by 32% over target =
>pitch,=20
>    because practice tells us that <BR>you need different overpull on =
>those=20
>    strings for an optimal pitch <BR>correction. &nbsp;That's why you =
>have to=20
>    tell RCT where the lowest plain wire <BR>note is before you start =
>tuning.=20
>    &nbsp;The overpull percentage varies throuhout <BR>the keyboard (as =
>well as=20
>    the pitch offsets...) depending of the section of <BR>the piano, =
>according=20
>    to statistics made on actual experiments on pitch <BR>raises. =
>&nbsp;And you=20
>    even have the option to change the overpull percentage <BR>chart if =
>you find=20
>    that a particular piano reacts differently to an overpull. =
><BR><BR>So, for=20
>    the sake of my own education, I would be grateful you tell me what =
><BR>the=20
>    variable overpull percentages are on a SAT III and how you tell the=20
>    <BR>machine where the lowest plain wire note is. <BR><BR>Regards,=20
>    <BR><BR>Michel Lachance, RPT <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><BR>I =
>believe=20
>  the overpull is 25% of the 2nd partial. Someone please correct me =
><BR>if I am=20
>  wrong. (Jim, please pitch in). The SAT 3 is the same. I usually =
><BR>measure=20
>  the lowest note of the plain wire, offset for pitch raise, and =
><BR>re-measure=20
>  every octave or so. &nbsp;I have no problems with doing a pitch raise=20
>  <BR>using this method. &nbsp; <BR><BR>Dave Peake, RPT <BR>Portland =
>Chapter=20
>  <BR>Oregon City, OR <BR>www.davespianoworks.locality.com</FONT>=20
></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 18:53:57 -0700
>From: "Joe & Penny Goss" <imatunr@primenet.com>
>Subject: Re: Aeolian Player Action Removal
>
>Joe,
>Removing the tracker bar chain is like opening the hood of that Ford car.
>Once you have it open , now the real work begins.
>Joe
>- ----- Original Message -----
>From: Joe & Penny Goss <imatunr@primenet.com>
>To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:52 PM
>Subject: Re: Aeolian Player Action Removal
>
>
>> meaning.  In your post,
>> > are you saying that disconnecting the tracker bar while leaving the
>> > tubing attached simply will not work? Or, are you saying that it's just
>> > not  worth the effort?  Or both?  Thanks.
>> > -
>> Yep to both.
>> Joe
>>
>>
>
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>
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:19:12 EST
>From: Dpshans@AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: mimimimimimimimimi
>
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>And this relates to piano technology?
>
>Dan Dannenfelser,
>Sacramento, CA
>
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><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=3>And this relates to piano
technology?
><BR>
><BR>Dan Dannenfelser,
><BR>Sacramento, CA</FONT></HTML>
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:43:44 -0500 (EST)
>From: joegum@webtv.net (joegum)
>Subject: Re: Aeolian Player Action Removal
>
> Thanks Joe.     -Joe G.
>   
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>Sender: owner-pianotech@ptg.org From: imatunr@primenet.com
>(Joe & Penny Goss) Date: Sat, Dec 2, 2000, 6:53pm (EST-2) To:
>pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: Aeolian Player Action Removal Reply to:
>pianotech@ptg.org 
>Joe, 
>Removing the tracker bar chain is like opening the hood of that Ford
>car. Once you have it open , now the real work begins. Joe 
>- ----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Joe & Penny Goss <imatunr@primenet.com>
>To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:52 PM
>Subject: Re: Aeolian Player Action Removal 
>meaning. In your post, 
>are you saying that disconnecting the tracker bar while leaving the
>tubing attached simply will not work? Or, are you saying that it's just
>not worth the effort? Or both? Thanks. 
>- - 
>Yep to both.
>Joe 
>
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>Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 21:42:20 -0500
>From: Jon Page <jonpage@mediaone.net>
>Subject: Re: Kawai CX-5  Key Slip
>
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>At 06:09 PM 12/02/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>>      I am not just starting out.I am an RPT with 20 years with the same
>>company.Don't go slamming dealers unless you know who you are talking to.I
>>work for Jordan Kitt's Music and enjoy my position as Senior Tech and
Concert
>>and Artist Technician.We have a policy of 100% customer satisfaction and
I am
>>proud to be part of a team that makes that a reality.I have health
>>benifits,insurance paid vacations and a complete office staff to do my
>>scheduleing and accounting.I couldn't do that on my own.         Robin Bruce
>>Olson RPT Washington DC Chapter.
>
>Ok, that's good, now try hitting the space bar . . .
>
>:-)
>
>DC's a great place to live and work.
>
>
>Jon Page,   piano technician
>Harwich Port, Cape Cod, Mass.
>mailto:jonpage@mediaone.net
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><font size=3>At 06:09 PM 12/02/2000 -0500, you wrote:<br>
><blockquote type=cite cite>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am not just
>starting out.I am an RPT with 20 years with the same <br>
>company.Don't go slamming dealers unless you know who you are talking
>to.I <br>
>work for Jordan Kitt's Music and enjoy my position as Senior Tech and
>Concert <br>
>and Artist Technician.We have a policy of 100% customer satisfaction and
>I am <br>
>proud to be part of a team that makes that a reality.I have health <br>
>benifits,insurance paid vacations and a complete office staff to do my
><br>
>scheduleing and accounting.I couldn't do that on my
>own.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Robin Bruce <br>
>Olson RPT Washington DC Chapter. </blockquote><br>
>Ok, that's good, now try hitting the space bar . . .<br>
><br>
>:-)<br>
><br>
>DC's a great place to live and work.<br>
><br>
></font><br>
><div>Jon Page,&nbsp;&nbsp; piano technician</div>
><div>Harwich Port, Cape Cod, Mass.</div>
><div><a href="mailto:jonpage@mediaone.net"
EUDORA=AUTOURL>mailto:jonpage@mediaone.net</a></div>
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>Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:46:13 -0800
>From: Stephen Airy <stephen_airy@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: A plea
>
>as to the cat being on the album cover -- this album would mainly be 
>released to my friends.
>
>At 01:45 PM 12/1/00 -0800, you wrote:
>>At 05:58 PM 12/1/00 +0100, you wrote:
>>>Actually, I never considered cats a problem, and certainly have never 
>>>experience washing
>>>cat pee off my knees, or anywhere else, from having to work on the floor. 
>>>At least not in
>>>a home I would continue past the entre'. As for the cat with the stuck 
>>>foot. I bet thats
>>>the last time the cat jumps up into the piano. An old trick for keeping 
>>>cats from jumping
>>>up on counters is to place a lot of forks on it. Couple times is all it 
>>>takes. And if you
>>>do have a particular stubborn cat... try a sheet of tack paper with 
>>>thumbtacks stuck all
>>>over it. One time is usually enough for the cat ... grin.
>>>
>>>Cats are curious..but they are not stupid.
>>>
>>>Carol Beigel wrote:
>>>
>>> > I don't think it's a good idea to give anyone the picture that cats and
>>> > pianos mix. This is the time of year when many people working in the
piano
>>> > business are especially overtired, oversheduled, working their last 
>>> nerves,
>>> > and could care less if they ever saw another piano or customer, so this
>>> > little story, although it seemed hillarious at the time, might not 
>>> sound so
>>> > funny if you are a cat person.
>>> >
>>
>>oh, i almost forgot to look down.  I was thinking you were talking about 
>>my post about using a cat on/in an UPRIGHT, NOT GRAND piano for a picture.
>>
>>> >   I was working for a large piano retailer and business was gangbusters
>>> > during this holiday season.  People of all descriptions were buying 
>>> pianos -
>>> > I swear some of them thought they were stereo systems with 
>>> strings!  Anyway
>>> > this lady had just taken delivery of a baby grand piano, and the 
>>> movers had
>>> > just left.  Suddenly she hears her cat squalling because its foot is 
>>> caught
>>> > in the bass strings!  She calls the customer service department and our
>>> > receptionist just lost it!  She was laughing so hard trying to page a
>>> > technician.  You could hear this cat in the background over the speaker
>>> > phone, and the lady was in such a panic.  The whole service
department was
>>> > in stitches while this poor woman was hysterical - and the cat kept 
>>> howling
>>> > in the background!  Finally, someone had the presence of mind to tell 
>>> her to
>>> > get a wooden spoon and pry the strings apart to get her cat's foot from
>>> > between the strings.
>>> >
>>> > I doubt you will get many positive responses from piano technicians
about
>>> > pictures of kittys on pianos.  Many  of us have the experience of
removing
>>> > cat pee from the knees of our pants due to working on pedal lyres on 
>>> carpets
>>> > in kitty homes.  And the list goes on....
>>> >
>>> > Carol Beigel
>>> >
>>>
>>>--
>>>Richard Brekne
>>>RPT, N.P.T.F.
>>>Bergen, Norway
>>
>>
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