[CAUT] historic temp thoughts

Fred Sturm fssturm at unm.edu
Mon Nov 30 20:23:57 MST 2009


On Nov 30, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Israel Stein wrote:

> Well, Fred, I don't know what you mean by "they made do", but there  
> is plentiful evidence that when it came to tuning, at least in  
> Italy, keyboards yielded to frets rather than the other way around.  
> At least that's what the writings of Vincenzo Galilei - one of the  
> foremost lutenists and theoreticians of the period (and Galileo's  
> father) - suggest


	In Rome, for a fairly short period during the mid 17th century, there  
was, indeed, a considerable buzz about equal temperament, centered  
around Galilei. Among other things, he is famous for having come up  
with the approximation of ET for setting frets: 18:17. This was a  
lively ET time, but was virtually confined to Rome, and lasted only  
about 20 years or so. The only major Italian composer outside Rome to  
be "converted" was Frecobaldi, but only late in life, after he had  
written all his important keyboard works.
	The overwhelming evidence for the rest of Italy, from shortly after  
1500 to 1700 and beyond, shows 1/4 mean tone as the standard keyboard  
tuning, and the large majority of commentators during that period were  
quite critical of ET. Now this can obviously mean that they were  
occasionally exposed to ET - otherwise how would they know what it  
sounded like? But it was very much a minority tuning well into the  
19th century in Italy.
	As for specific performance practices with respect to ensembles, and  
with respect to particular composers and compositions, there may well  
be evidence I am unaware of. As to whether there is "plentiful  
evidence" as you state, well, I'd very much like to see it. I mean  
that quite sincerely - not a rhetorical statement, but a desire. I am  
very much aware of Galilei's quite forceful promotion of ET, and there  
was certainly a strong movement in Rome during his time, which spread  
to a certain extent at least to France. But the bulk of evidence I am  
aware of (and I have been reading very, very extensively over the past  
several months, particularly the articles and books of Patrizio  
Barbieri, which cover the available evidence pretty comprehensively)  
suggests that this was quite limited in time and space, and  that ET  
essentially died down in Italy until it was re-introduced from Germany  
in the late 18th century.
	To the original question, about what tuning would be appropriate, ET  
would definitely be my second choice, but from my own knowledge, I  
would put it in a ratio of at least 9:1 in favor of 1/4 mean tone  
unless there was compelling evidence otherwise. I'll note that in your  
example (which I certainly accept absolutely as an informed decision  
on the part of authoritative people), "the remainder performed in mean  
tone" (including their harpsichord and organ). So I wonder whether  
having the lutes and harpsichords tuned together is more important  
than having the winds, voices and harpsichord together. Someone has to  
be out of tune with someone. The lutes are stuck. The harpsichord  
isn't. So I would stick to my advice, and let them "make do." The  
lute's decay is pretty fast - it should be the odd one out.
Regards,
Fred Sturm
University of New Mexico
fssturm at unm.edu





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