[CAUT] U of GA.

[johnsond]

I don't know what it will take to spark participation on a meaningful 
scale, but that sounds like a positive, simple and effective way to 
initiate the kind of change we are talking about.  I really believe that 
these changes are going to happen, eventually.  Just think of the 
changes some of us have seen in the past 20 years.  We started from 
nothing.  It may be the next generation of technicians who fully realize 
the programs we are building now, but if we succeed you can bet the 
legacy will be remembered. 

Dennis Johnson

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Douglas Wood wrote:
> I'd suggest applying what I call it the "smile test": When pricing a 
> challenging job (or one for a challenging client!), can you still 
> smile when they say yes? !
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> Doug
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> On Jun 27, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Paul T Williams wrote:
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>> I think you're on to something Ric.  How else are the money pockets 
>> going to get the hint????  OK everyone.. apply for every job that 
>> comes up.  Express your salary requirements and let's see what 
>> happens...  It might open some eyes on the top of the wallet chain. 
>>  It can only help all of us in the long run..  Hey.  What if somebody 
>> takes you up on it?????????????  $100,000/year with benefits would be 
>> sweet!!!
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>> OK...I'm back from dreamland.
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>> Paul
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>> *Richard Brekne <ricb at pianostemmer.no <mailto:ricb at pianostemmer.no>>*
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>> The real kicker is that for this kind of job situation, and the real
>> responsibilities that are involved... at least if the school is even
>> half minded serious about music education... the technician that makes
>> 100.000 on his own should be being offered double plus bennies to get
>> him/her to take care of .... literally everyone and everything.
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>> Perhaps a strategy we should start employing is that when a University
>> job listing gets posted we all send in an application stating our quals
>> etc.... AND a minimum wage requirement of say 150.000 USD a year plus
>> full insurance package.  If a University gets say 50 such responses when
>> posting a job maybe they will get a bit of a reality check as to what it
>> will take to seduce a truly good enough tech from his/her private
>> practice.... just a thought.
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>> Cheers
>> RicB
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>>    Re: [CAUT] U of GA.The sadness of it all is that I know of another
>>    position at another school that pays less than this!  It was posted
>>    here on CAUT about a month ago.  It is for a third technician at a
>>    school up north.  I have no shame in telling everyone that I'm
>>    putting in for a lot of these CAUT jobs.  But this job up north...
>>    It pays less than GA, and the technician who's in  charge told me
>>    that he is mostly trying to look for applicants who have gone
>>    through the Masters program in Florida.  Keep in mind I don't know a
>>    technician who's gone through that program, so I can't speak for
>>    them.  It seems like a needle in a haystack situation though.  Can
>>    you get someone from a masters program to work for $30000?  Someone
>>    who you just want to use to tune practice rooms...  Needless to say,
>>    because of the pay and the duties I am no longer interested in that
>>    opportunity.  Perhaps someone is, but I don't know who.  I got in to
>>    this business because I found it to be interesting, challenging and
>>    a lot of fun.  The facts are, I made a good living before I became a
>>    technician and can only downgrade so much!  On the other hand...  A
>>    University which I wanted to work for turned me down with out a
>>    tryout or interview.  My 5 years experience, a certificate from a 2
>>    year accredited institution in Piano Technology, being an RPT,
>>    having lots of concert experience was just not enough for them.
>>    This is after not having a full time technician for more than 2
>>    years.  Needless to say I'm told that the pianos are in quite a
>>    state of disrepair.  They posted the job 3 times and could not get
>>    anyone they wanted.  They are going after the technicians that make
>>    $100000 per year.  They want to get one of them and pay them
>>    $50000.  I can't believe that one of those folks will take a pay cut
>>    of half, or stick around for vary long.  The facts are you probably
>>    wont get as many years out of a person who's in their 50s/60s as you
>>    will a person who's mid 20s say.  That's not to say that age should
>>    be a factor in employment, its just that if you can only keep a
>>    technician for 5 years, you should take a look at why.  I know I
>>    don't want to work as much when or if I reach 60.  Maybe its just me
>>    though?  
>>    Shawn Brock, RPT
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> Doug Wood
> School of Music
> University of Washington
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