I too was amazed to watch a man who I respected and who assured me that rolling on the lyre was safe split the mount on a Steinway M. That was about ten years ago and although I intuitively avoided the procedure prior to that I now have at least one really good reason to NEVER do that. It may work most of the time but as I professional who is committed to "Do No Damage" I need a procedure that works all the time. Safety first of course.
Chris Solliday rpt
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From: Leslie Bartlett
To: College and University Technicians
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff
I was on the moving crew at the Chicago convention at which one of the crew was an adamant supporter of moving on the lyre. "Never had a problem"........................ So he was in charge of the move of the M&H and we watched while the lyre simply disintegrated under the weight of the piano. I've done a few lyre moves myself, but there's a trick i use. A "chinning bar" which screws out to fit into a doorway can be wedged in between the lyre and the treble leg, thus putting almost all the stress on the bar rather than the lyre. However, I think the M&H would still have collapsed. It was a fragile lyre for a very heavy piano.
les bartlett
houston
Elwood Doss wrote:
Thanks for including the info on the 52nd Annual Convention. Hopefully my wife and I can attend.
A lot of professional piano movers use the lyre to swing the grand piano to the dolly. I cringe every time I see it, but it evidently works for them. I like the piano horse and jack-in-the-box myself.
Joy!
Elwood
Elwood Doss, Jr., M.M.E., RPT
Piano Technician/Technical Director
Department of Music
145 Fine Arts Building
The University of Tennessee at Martin
Martin, TN 38238
731/881-1852
FAX: 731/881-7415
HOME: 731/587-5700
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From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ward & Probst, Inc
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:00 PM
To: 'College and University Technicians'
Subject: Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff
PW,
Many movers regularly turn grands on the lyre without problems. I don't because we have the Horse and it seems safer to me. Gordon Crail, who invented the Horse, is a friend and we have a prototype that has been used for years in the shop and on the road. He suggests, blocking the tail end of the dolly up, using a person to counter balance the key end, and using a lift strap. Doing this saves a lot of strain, as about half of the lift is done. I don't have pics of the skids but the GC is sort of like what we have. We have fixed wheels in the center and swivel wheels at each end.
I enjoyed the Annual and it seemed to me that most everyone else did. The facility was good and the Institute and Home Office staff had every thing running smoothly. Next year it will be in Grand Rapids, MI at the Amway Grand Hotel which looks like one of the best venues yet.
DP
July 15, 2009--July 19, 2009
52ND ANNUAL CONVENTION
Amway Grand Hotel
Grand Rapids, MI
Contact: Sandy Roady
4444 Forest Avenue, Kansas City, KS 66106
Phone: 913-432-9975
Fax: 913-432-9986
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From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Paul T Williams
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:17 PM
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I NEVER use the lyre for tilting. Who does such a horrible thing? How would one combine the two? I'm trying to visualize getting the lifting of the back end of the grand away for getting a dolly under.... Sure would save some backs!!!
pw
ps Thanks. I think I may get a Horse for myself here in the shop.. It looks real good. any pics of your shop built thing?
How was natonal?
pw
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Hi Paul,
Use the Horse all the time and love it. The only problem may be combining the two. It looks like the Grand Chariot http://www.premiermovingequipment.com/ may be raised off the ground a bit and the Horse is designed to take the piano to the ground. I use something similar to the GC that is shop built and it requires more care to use it in combination with the Horse. Looks like the GC is designed for those who use the lyre for turning.
DP
Dale Probst, RPT
Midwestern State University
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From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Paul T Williams
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:28 PM
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Subject: [CAUT] piano moving stuff
Hi all
I hope your time in Anaheim was good for all!
We have a professor here who is going to be "on the road" with her Yamaha C-7 this fall. she asked me about piano moving stuff and mentioned the piano horse (janssen) and something called a "grand chariot" which looks more like a skidboard with wheels.
Have any of you used these things? Are they worth the money? (she has a grant to buy said items) Anything better out there?
Thanks in advance
Paul
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