[CAUT] piano moving stuff

[Leslie Bartlett]

I   was on the moving crew at the Chicago convention at which one of the 
crew was an adamant supporter of moving on the lyre. "Never had a 
problem"........................   So he was in charge of the move of 
the M&H and we watched while the lyre simply disintegrated under the 
weight  of the piano.  I've done a few lyre moves myself, but there's a 
trick i use. A "chinning bar" which screws out to fit into a doorway can 
be wedged in between the lyre and the treble leg, thus putting almost 
all the stress on the bar rather than the lyre.  However, I think the 
M&H would still have collapsed.  It was a fragile lyre for a very heavy 
piano.
les bartlett
houston

Elwood Doss wrote:
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> Thanks for including the info on the 52^nd Annual Convention.  
> Hopefully my wife and I can attend.
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> A lot of professional piano movers use the lyre to swing the grand 
> piano to the dolly.  I cringe every time I see it, but it evidently 
> works for them.  I like the piano horse and jack-in-the-box myself.
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> Joy!
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> Elwood
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> Elwood Doss, Jr., M.M.E., RPT
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> *From:* caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] *On Behalf 
> Of *Ward & Probst, Inc
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:00 PM
> *To:* 'College and University Technicians'
> *Subject:* Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff
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> PW,
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> Many movers regularly turn grands on the lyre without problems. I 
> don't because we have the Horse and it seems safer to me. Gordon 
> Crail, who invented the Horse, is a friend and we have a prototype 
> that has been used for years in the shop and on the road. He suggests, 
> blocking the tail end of the dolly up, using a person to counter 
> balance the key end, and using a lift strap. Doing this saves a lot of 
> strain, as about half of the lift is done. I don't have pics of the 
> skids but the GC is sort of like what we have. We have fixed wheels in 
> the center and swivel wheels at each end. 
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> I enjoyed the Annual and it seemed to me that most everyone else 
> did. The facility was good and the Institute and Home Office staff had 
> every thing running smoothly. Next year it will be in Grand Rapids, MI 
> at the Amway Grand Hotel which looks like one of the best venues yet.
>
> DP 
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> July 15, 2009--July 19, 2009
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>     52ND ANNUAL CONVENTION
>     Amway Grand Hotel
>     Grand Rapids, MI
>     Contact: Sandy Roady
>     4444 Forest Avenue, Kansas City, KS 66106
>     Phone: 913-432-9975
>     Fax: 913-432-9986
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>     *From:* caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] *On
>     Behalf Of *Paul T Williams
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:17 PM
>     *To:* College and University Technicians
>     *Subject:* Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff
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>     I NEVER use the lyre for tilting.  Who does such a horrible thing?
>      How would one combine the two?  I'm trying to visualize  getting
>     the lifting of the back end of the grand away for getting a dolly
>     under....  Sure would save some backs!!!
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>     pw
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>     ps Thanks.  I think I may get a Horse for myself here in the
>     shop..  It looks real good.  any pics of your shop built thing?
>     How was natonal?
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>     pw
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>     Hi Paul,
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>     Use the Horse all the time and love it. The only problem may be
>     combining the two. It looks like the Grand Chariot
>     http://www.premiermovingequipment.com/ may be raised off the
>     ground a bit and the Horse is designed to take the piano to the
>     ground. I use something similar to the GC that is shop built and
>     it requires more care to use it in combination with the Horse.
>     Looks like the GC is designed for those who use the lyre for turning.
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>     DP
>     Dale Probst, RPT
>     Midwestern State University
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>     From:* caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] *On
>     Behalf Of *Paul T Williams*
>     Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:28 PM*
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>     Subject:* [CAUT] piano moving stuff
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>     Hi all
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>     I hope your time in Anaheim was good for all!
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>     We have a professor here who is going to be "on the road" with her
>     Yamaha C-7 this fall.  she asked me about piano moving stuff and
>     mentioned the piano horse (janssen) and something called a "grand
>     chariot"  which looks more like a skidboard with wheels.
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>     Have any of you used these things?  Are they worth the money? (she
>     has a grant to buy said items)  Anything better out there?
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>     Thanks in advance
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>     Paul
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