> Hi Ron, > If that has been determined fairly reasonably, I am not aware of it. I, > personally, think soundboard rise and fall are significant factors. > Otherwise, I fail to see why those little heating rods and pads and > whatnot, installed under boards in grands, have a measurable (there's > that word again) impact on pitch stability. But maybe you know > different. Maybe it isn't "rise and fall" but some other dimensional > change. I await enlightenment <G>. > Regards, > Fred Sturm A little trig, a little Pythagoras, and Sanderson's scaling formulas answer a lot of questions. Downbearing deflection angles in pianos are so small, that soundboard rise and fall would have to be enormously more than we observe in actual pianos, to account for observed pitch changes. Dimensional changes in bridge caps, moving strings up and down bridge pins slanted at 15-20° in opposite directions with bearing offset angles around 10°, produce string length changes ten times that of soundboard rise and fall. Take a 406mm speaking length, with a 130mm back scale and a 1° downbearing angle. Bridge cap expansion pushing strings up 0.2mm produces a length change of about 0.018mm (0.0007"). To produce a similar length change, the soundboard would have to rise 0.75mm, taking the bearing angle from 1° to 1.6°. I've measured over 0.2mm cap rise on pins through an MC change from about 6% to about 11% or so, but I've never seen a bearing angle gain over 1/2 a degree with humidity increase. My current conclusion, pending more sensible data, is that soundboard rise and fall is not a major contributor to pitch fluctuations, and that bridge cap dimensional changes are more significant. Bridges are in the Dampp-Chaser environment as well as soundboards. The cumulative string length changes from observable long term wood compaction of pin block, bridge capping, and soundboard flattening, still appear to me to be better evidence for long term pitch drop than speculation that string stretching, ignoring the observable wood damage, is to blame. Note that the length changes I indicated above are less than a thousandth of an inch, and that long term compression damage in bridges and pinblocks is tens of times that. I'm not selling theories here. I don't care what the answers turn out to be, I just want to know what they are. Lacking authoritative answers, I'm trying to go where the evidence leads. Ron N
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