This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment This discussion is definitely a slippery slope and people are sensitive, overly in my view. It's too bad really. I don't agree with Roger, = we're not all equal-at least not in innate ability, and there are gender differences (thankfully). How those differences manifest themselves in terms of piano technician potential I certainly can't answer nor would I claim that those differences are ever relevant for any individual. But there are patterns and if your goals aren't prejudicial, it can be interesting to observe them. The sooner we learn to appreciate those differences rather than fall into the trap of "equal rights means we are = all the same" the better off we'll be. Of course, IMHO. =20 David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20 -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Jeannie Grassi Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:27 PM To: 'College and University Technicians' Subject: RE: [CAUT] Differences? =20 Wim, Not to be confrontational....But, when you make general, sweeping = statements about how women do or don't behave, that IS being sexist!!! =20 If you were to make the same sort of generalities about a minority = group, I think you could see how that would be equally as misguided. =20 Perhaps the observations you've made about your wife, may just have to = do with your wife and not all women, as you suggested. There are many = reasons why she may have preferred tuning. There are many reasons why she may = be mechanically challenged...one of which is that the toys and = opportunities marketed for girls offer them little in that direction. I had no = brothers and I never got to have all the "cool" toys and games that all the boys = got. (At least to me they were way cooler.) Back then, parents thought they shouldn't cross over the gender lines with those things. Changing = diapers on baby dolls was the most mechanical thing some of us got to do. And = if you take a stroll down the aisles of Toys R Us, you'll see that it = hasn't changed all that much. =20 =20 When young girls are encouraged to have their own tools, build things, = fix things, take things apart....they are having some of the basic = experiences that begin to develop mechanical reasoning. At least in this area, = things have begun to change. It is the attitudes of those of us making = decisions for young women that still need to change. =20 =20 I kindly suggest to you, Wim, that you might re-examine your thinking = about such things. Step up to the 21st century. A lot of us are here! :>) Respectfully, jeannie =20 Jeannie Grassi, RPT <mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net> mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net =20 _____ =20 From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Wimblees@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:36 PM To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Differences? =20 In a message dated 1/20/2006 10:49:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, jim_busby@byu.edu writes: A serious question here; I've got three daughters and a son who have = learned to do quite a bit of piano work. The girls all love to do tedious shop = work but HATE to tune. The boy loves to tune but doesn't like shop work all = that much. I just thought it was their personalities until I started having students work here at BYU. Seems the same applies. I don't want to come across as sexist in any way, but I want to understand why. All the = female students seem to excel more at the shop skills, but seem to dislike = tuning. It seems harder for them than the guys. They seem to be less aggressive = and more perfectionists and can hardly stand it if they don't get it right = NOW. There are other teachers besides me so I don't think my teaching style = is to be blamed. I guess the real question is, do women (physically, = mentally.) have a harder time learning to tune?? I really want to encourage more = women to take up the trade. (Help!) =20 Jim Busby BYU =20 Jim =20 Women are perfectionist, and they do have a LOT more patience than men. Again, not to be sexist, but that is why they make good secretaries. = They catch all the mistakes their male bosses make.=20 =20 But on the other side of that coin, 20 years ago I taught my wife to = tune. She did fine with that, but she is more or less mechanically challenged. = She does not do well using tools. So when I tried teaching her regulation = and do minor repairs, it just didn't register with her. I think part of the = reason is that she didn't do the same thing within a couple of days. I could = teach how to do one procedure, but unless she could do it again within a week, = she would forget what to do. I taught her how to do let off on a direct = blow action. But when I tried to show her the same thing on a drop action, it didn't register with her. The same with making repairs.=20 =20 Wim=20 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/caut.php/attachments/b0/fe/72/fa/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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