[CAUT] Differences?

[Roger Jolly]

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Hi Jeannie,
                          I can't resist adding=20
my 2 cents. Having done many hands on training=20
classes, I can give voice to my observations.

The ladies that I have worked with appear to be=20
far more nimble, and accurate than their male counter parts.
Certainly in the piano factories they very capably  out shine the men.

I have always felt privileged to work alongside=20
the fairer sex.   They are no less and no more in anyway,
Just equal.

Regards Roger






At 05:27 PM 1/22/2006, you wrote:
>Wim,
>Not to be confrontational....But, when you make=20
>general, sweeping statements about how women do=20
>or don=92t behave, that IS being sexist!!!
>If you were to make the same sort of=20
>generalities about a minority group, I think you=20
>could see how that would be equally as misguided.
>
>Perhaps the observations you=92ve made about your=20
>wife, may just have to do with your wife and not=20
>all women, as you suggested.  There are many=20
>reasons why she may have preferred=20
>tuning.  There are many reasons why she may be=20
>mechanically challenged...one of which is that=20
>the toys and opportunities marketed for girls=20
>offer them little in that direction.  I had no=20
>brothers and I never got to have all the =93cool=94=20
>toys and games that all the boys got.  (At least=20
>to me they were way cooler.)  Back then, parents=20
>thought they shouldn=92t cross over the gender=20
>lines with those things.  Changing diapers on=20
>baby dolls was the most mechanical thing some of=20
>us got to do.  And if you take a stroll down the=20
>aisles of Toys R Us, you=92ll see that it hasn=92t changed all that much.
>
>When young girls are encouraged to have their=20
>own tools, build things, fix things, take things=20
>apart....they are having some of the basic=20
>experiences that begin to develop mechanical=20
>reasoning.  At least in this area, things have=20
>begun to change.  It is the attitudes of those=20
>of us making decisions for young women that still need to change.
>
>I kindly suggest to you, Wim, that you might=20
>re-examine your thinking about such=20
>things.  Step up to the 21st century.  A lot of us are here!  :>)
>Respectfully,
>jeannie
>
>Jeannie Grassi, RPT
><mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net>mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net
>
>
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>From: caut-bounces@ptg.org=20
>[mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Wimblees@aol.com
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:36 PM
>To: caut@ptg.org
>Subject: Re: [CAUT] Differences?
>
>In a message dated 1/20/2006 10:49:27 P.M.=20
>Central Standard Time, jim_busby@byu.edu writes:
>A serious question here; I=92ve got three=20
>daughters and a son who have learned to do quite=20
>a bit of piano work. The girls all love to do=20
>tedious shop work but HATE to tune. The boy=20
>loves to tune but doesn=92t like shop work all=20
>that much. I just thought it was their=20
>personalities until I started having students=20
>work here at BYU. Seems the same applies. I=20
>don=92t want to come across as sexist in any way,=20
>but I want to understand why. All the female=20
>students seem to excel more at the shop skills,=20
>but seem to dislike tuning. It seems harder for=20
>them than the guys. They seem to be less=20
>aggressive and more perfectionists and can=20
>hardly stand it if they don=92t get it right NOW.=20
>There are other teachers besides me so I don=92t=20
>think my teaching style is to be blamed. I guess=20
>the real question is, do women (physically,=20
>mentally=85) have a harder time learning to tune??=20
>I really want to encourage more women to take up the trade. (Help!)
>
>Jim Busby BYU
>
>
>Jim
>
>Women are perfectionist, and they do have a LOT=20
>more patience than men. Again, not to be sexist,=20
>but that is why they make good secretaries. They=20
>catch all the mistakes their male bosses make.
>
>But on the other side of that coin, 20 years ago=20
>I taught my wife to tune. She did fine with=20
>that, but she is more or less mechanically=20
>challenged. She does not do well using tools. So=20
>when I tried teaching her regulation and do=20
>minor repairs, it just didn't register with her.=20
>I think part of the reason is that she didn't do=20
>the same thing within a couple of days. I could=20
>teach how to do one procedure, but unless she=20
>could do it again within a week, she would=20
>forget what to do.  I taught her how to do let=20
>off on a direct blow action. But when I tried to=20
>show her the same thing on a drop action, it=20
>didn't register with her. The same with making repairs.
>
>Wim

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