[CAUT] Differences?

[Jeff Olson]

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All of us our different individuals, fulfilling our own unique =
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JeffO
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  From: David Love=20
  To: 'College and University Technicians'=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [CAUT] Differences?


  This discussion is definitely a slippery slope and people are =
sensitive, overly in my view.  It's too bad really.  I don't agree with =
Roger, we're not all equal-at least not in innate ability, and there are =
gender differences (thankfully).  How those differences manifest =
themselves in terms of piano technician potential I certainly can't =
answer nor would I claim that those differences are ever relevant for =
any individual.  But there are patterns and if your goals aren't =
prejudicial, it can be interesting to observe them.  The sooner we learn =
to appreciate those differences rather than fall into the trap of "equal =
rights means we are all the same" the better off we'll be.  Of course, =
IMHO. =20

  David Love
  davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20

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  From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of =
Jeannie Grassi
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:27 PM
  To: 'College and University Technicians'
  Subject: RE: [CAUT] Differences?



  Wim,

  Not to be confrontational....But, when you make general, sweeping =
statements about how women do or don't behave, that IS being sexist!!! =20

  If you were to make the same sort of generalities about a minority =
group, I think you could see how that would be equally as misguided.



  Perhaps the observations you've made about your wife, may just have to =
do with your wife and not all women, as you suggested.  There are many =
reasons why she may have preferred tuning.  There are many reasons why =
she may be mechanically challenged...one of which is that the toys and =
opportunities marketed for girls offer them little in that direction.  I =
had no brothers and I never got to have all the "cool" toys and games =
that all the boys got.  (At least to me they were way cooler.)  Back =
then, parents thought they shouldn't cross over the gender lines with =
those things.  Changing diapers on baby dolls was the most mechanical =
thing some of us got to do.  And if you take a stroll down the aisles of =
Toys R Us, you'll see that it hasn't changed all that much. =20



  When young girls are encouraged to have their own tools, build things, =
fix things, take things apart....they are having some of the basic =
experiences that begin to develop mechanical reasoning.  At least in =
this area, things have begun to change.  It is the attitudes of those of =
us making decisions for young women that still need to change. =20



  I kindly suggest to you, Wim, that you might re-examine your thinking =
about such things.  Step up to the 21st century.  A lot of us are here!  =
:>)

  Respectfully,

  jeannie



  Jeannie Grassi, RPT

  mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net




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  From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of =
Wimblees@aol.com
  Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:36 PM
  To: caut@ptg.org
  Subject: Re: [CAUT] Differences?



  In a message dated 1/20/2006 10:49:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, =
jim_busby@byu.edu writes:

    A serious question here; I've got three daughters and a son who have =
learned to do quite a bit of piano work. The girls all love to do =
tedious shop work but HATE to tune. The boy loves to tune but doesn't =
like shop work all that much. I just thought it was their personalities =
until I started having students work here at BYU. Seems the same =
applies. I don't want to come across as sexist in any way, but I want to =
understand why. All the female students seem to excel more at the shop =
skills, but seem to dislike tuning. It seems harder for them than the =
guys. They seem to be less aggressive and more perfectionists and can =
hardly stand it if they don't get it right NOW. There are other teachers =
besides me so I don't think my teaching style is to be blamed. I guess =
the real question is, do women (physically, mentally.) have a harder =
time learning to tune?? I really want to encourage more women to take up =
the trade. (Help!)



    Jim Busby BYU



  Jim



  Women are perfectionist, and they do have a LOT more patience than =
men. Again, not to be sexist, but that is why they make good =
secretaries. They catch all the mistakes their male bosses make.=20



  But on the other side of that coin, 20 years ago I taught my wife to =
tune. She did fine with that, but she is more or less mechanically =
challenged. She does not do well using tools. So when I tried teaching =
her regulation and do minor repairs, it just didn't register with her. I =
think part of the reason is that she didn't do the same thing within a =
couple of days. I could teach how to do one procedure, but unless she =
could do it again within a week, she would forget what to do.  I taught =
her how to do let off on a direct blow action. But when I tried to show =
her the same thing on a drop action, it didn't register with her. The =
same with making repairs.=20



  Wim=20

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