Value of an old steinway vertical

[Isaac OLEG]

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Hello,

I just read your comments on the use of Epotek to repair the block, it seem
more comprehensible now .

If oversized pins have yet been employed, Epoxy will probably don't do
nothing for you,

The old block does not hold the tuning pins because the wood compression
strength around the pin migrates, leaving a somewhat deep zone with a mushy
wood, that will not stand to be crushed by oversized pins, hence the problem
we meet with old blocks and oversized pins (out of the big pins that are a
pain to tune with)

Can Epoxy bring back enough resiliency to give an acceptable tuning feel ? I
don't know, what we are after is a MOE , in fact, so is the composite
material wood + epoxy relatively flexible, the question remains open for me.

It is unfortunate, but economical facts, and the actual trend for ancient
instruments, leave us in front of untenable pianos, and owners that wish to
have them in shape without spending the money due for a real rebuild
(particularly for some ancient Erard and Pleyel here, the new block is a
prohibitive cost)

So if the instruments can be salvaged , even, temporarily with that kind of
fix, that will allow them to stay on the market, and they will value more
later, allowing the repair to be made really.

Is that point correct ?

Other ideas ?

Isaac OLEG

-----Message d'origine-----
De : caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]De la part de Ed
Sutton
Envoyé : vendredi 23 avril 2004 03:32
À : College and University Technicians
Objet : Re: Value of an old steinway vertical


Lance-
I found the instruction sheet for this.  I'm surprised to see that Ken
recommends using pins two sizes larger than the original pins;
I had thought one of the reasons for the epoxy treatment was to allow re-use
of original pins in historic instruments.
Ah, well....back to the wood shop.
Ed
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: llafargue
  To: 'College and University Technicians'
  Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:06 PM
  Subject: RE: Value of an old steinway vertical


  Yes, Ken taught me this and it’s been so long since I’ve done it I can’t
remember details on pin sizes, etc.  I usually make notes, keep papers and
file away for the next time I do the job.  I have been replacing blocks of
late.  The Epotek handout gives pin/drill bit info (from Ken).  The pins
feel great with this method if drilled correctly.  I had a baby Chickering
with a double flange on the plate and an owner with little money.  That was
a perfect scenario, and uprights, too.  My guess is you won’t go from #5’s
to

  # 1’s though.    There are many pianos out there with epoxy, including
some in the Smithsonian Ken did and I’m not sure how they are all doing, but
I just tuned the Chickering about three months ago and it was great.  The
ones I did that I still see are all fine.  I did have one old upright early
on that had inconsistency in the treble pins because as I drilled them out I
was running into harder wood deep in the holes and it caused some vibration
in the bit/inconsistent hole sizes.  I think it’s a great technique to have
when needed.





  Lance Lafargue, RPT

  LAFARGUE PIANOS

  New Orleans Chapter, PTG

  985.72P.IANO

  llafargue@charter.net



  -----Original Message-----
  From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ed
Sutton
  Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:06 AM
  To: College and University Technicians
  Subject: Re: Value of an old steinway vertical



  Hi, Lance-



  I have a paper Ken Eschete wrote on something like this.  Is that the
method you use?



  When you do this, do you repin with the same size pins, or is it possible
to go to a smaller size?



  A friend of mine has an old Bechstein with open face pinblock which has
been restrung with #5 pins.  I would like to go back to #1 pins in this
piano.



  Does this method give a smooth tuning result...and how long do you suppose
it lasts?



  If I think of any more questions, I'll let you know!



  Thanks!



  Ed

    ----- Original Message -----

    From: llafargue

    To: 'College and University Technicians'

    Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:04 AM

    Subject: RE: Value of an old steinway vertical



    I have 2 Steinway uprights (early 1900’s) and plan to inject water thin
optical epoxy (EPOTEK), redrill and restring.  I have done this on several
uprights and grands where replacing was not an option.  Works great.  Nice
feel.



    Lance Lafargue, RPT

    LAFARGUE PIANOS

    New Orleans Chapter, PTG

    985.72P.IANO

    llafargue@charter.net



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