This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I was thinking one size larger. I wouldn't bet that a pin sitting in 100% epoxy, no wood, would last. He used this primarily in Broadwoods and Erards, 19th century, with original pins and they were worthless since you could not replace the block. This was a way to get the blocks back in one piece and be able to restring and tune, not get original sizes back in. The epoxy was to fill voids, get laminates or cracks filled, etc. The pins were in mostly wood, with the cracks and all voids filled, rock hard again. Lance Lafargue, RPT LAFARGUE PIANOS New Orleans Chapter, PTG 985.72P.IANO llafargue@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ed Sutton Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:32 PM To: College and University Technicians Subject: Re: Value of an old steinway vertical Lance- I found the instruction sheet for this. I'm surprised to see that Ken recommends using pins two sizes larger than the original pins; I had thought one of the reasons for the epoxy treatment was to allow re-use of original pins in historic instruments. Ah, well....back to the wood shop. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: llafargue <mailto:llafargue@charter.net> To: 'College and University <mailto:caut@ptg.org> Technicians' Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: RE: Value of an old steinway vertical Yes, Ken taught me this and it's been so long since I've done it I can't remember details on pin sizes, etc. I usually make notes, keep papers and file away for the next time I do the job. I have been replacing blocks of late. The Epotek handout gives pin/drill bit info (from Ken). The pins feel great with this method if drilled correctly. I had a baby Chickering with a double flange on the plate and an owner with little money. That was a perfect scenario, and uprights, too. My guess is you won't go from #5's to # 1's though. There are many pianos out there with epoxy, including some in the Smithsonian Ken did and I'm not sure how they are all doing, but I just tuned the Chickering about three months ago and it was great. The ones I did that I still see are all fine. I did have one old upright early on that had inconsistency in the treble pins because as I drilled them out I was running into harder wood deep in the holes and it caused some vibration in the bit/inconsistent hole sizes. I think it's a great technique to have when needed. Lance Lafargue, RPT LAFARGUE PIANOS New Orleans Chapter, PTG 985.72P.IANO llafargue@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ed Sutton Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:06 AM To: College and University Technicians Subject: Re: Value of an old steinway vertical Hi, Lance- I have a paper Ken Eschete wrote on something like this. Is that the method you use? When you do this, do you repin with the same size pins, or is it possible to go to a smaller size? A friend of mine has an old Bechstein with open face pinblock which has been restrung with #5 pins. I would like to go back to #1 pins in this piano. Does this method give a smooth tuning result...and how long do you suppose it lasts? If I think of any more questions, I'll let you know! Thanks! Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: llafargue <mailto:llafargue@charter.net> To: 'College and University <mailto:caut@ptg.org> Technicians' Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Value of an old steinway vertical I have 2 Steinway uprights (early 1900's) and plan to inject water thin optical epoxy (EPOTEK), redrill and restring. I have done this on several uprights and grands where replacing was not an option. Works great. Nice feel. Lance Lafargue, RPT LAFARGUE PIANOS New Orleans Chapter, PTG 985.72P.IANO llafargue@charter.net ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/caut.php/attachments/4e/51/24/3f/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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