Gee, Duaine, if nearly all of your tunings are that out of tune, I'm guessing you don't have many repeat customers. Is this correct? Where do they go? Might this be a clue? Are they all pitch raises EVERY time you visit? Interesting.... Paul On 5/10/12 2:02 PM, "Duaine Hechler" <dahechler at att.net> wrote: >Not to deliberately belabor this point, but answer me this; > >99.9% of my tunings involve MAJOR pitch raises. With aural tuning ONLY, >how in the "sam hill" can you do a MAJOR pitch >raise in less than 2 hours. > >Now let's see - that involves setting the temperament, PRESUMABLY, at the >same time, calculating stretch, tuning each >note, tuning the unisons, etc Oh, yeah, do your "precious" aural tuning >checks, but, wait, the piano is constantly >moving because it was so out-of-tune, but some how you are still supposed >to do them, how I will never know. Starting >from the middle, tune up and tune down AND with the piano still moving >along the way. So now you some sort of BASE >tuning, so now you have to go back and "tweak" BUT, again, the piano is >still moving, so you have to, maybe, tweak again >and again and again, etc. Have I forgotten anything ? > >Now, with an ETD (like, Cybertuner (because that is what I have)), you >capture the "starting" point of the piano with >all the A's; IT calculates the proper pitch of the note where it is >supposed to be - factoring in, automajically, the >stretch and you tune from note 1 to note 88. Now, do some MINOR checking, >which you MIGHT need to make some MINOR >tweaking. And, now you are DONE. > >Stepping back out of your CURRENT life and as a NEW tech coming into the >business, you would pick the ETD route. So did >I, like millions of other techs. > >So there - "put that in you pipe and smoke it" > >Duaine > >On 05/10/2012 07:57 AM, David Renaud wrote: >> I did not at all suggest I had an engineering degree, I have a music >>degree. >> >> I was addressing the comment previously made by someone else suggesting >>that having to take today's tuning Test was >> like asking to take an engineering exam with only a slide rule and >>pencil. >> >> My hope was to point out that the apology is not good because: >> >> 1)Indeed, you actually can use technology for large parts of the tuning >>exam. >> >> 2) The aural part is primary to demonstrate that a candidate actually >>does know some aural test. >> In this interest, The margins of error are very larg, and this part is >>not to produce a concert level tuning at all, >> but a minimal standard. Most of the people I have seen fail this part >>knew practically no aural checks tests >> whatsoever. Forget executing tests well ,the problem was so many do not >>have the information at all. It is a test of >> demonstrating a minimal knowledge of aural tests. >> >> 3) the exam process does have a written part before qualifying to take >>the tuning exam. As you suggest should be, is >> indeed, Questions Regarding partial, harmonics, and stretch are part of >>the written exam. >> >> So my point was only that the analogy with the slide rule is not >>valid. And my discussion was intended to point >> out that a fair comparison would be an exam where the candidate would be >> Expected at some point in the exam to demonstrate some minimal manual >>mental calculations and knowledge without >> referring to the computer/devise. In my opinion the aural component >>of the tuning tests does this minimal >> demonstration of aural testing knowledge for it has generous margins of >>error, and anyone with basic knowledge and >> practice of a 3 or 4 Interval tests can achieve passing at the 80% >>level. The problem I have seen so often in the exam >> room with the aural part is mostly lack of knowledge of any aural >>tests. It is indeed a demonstration of a minimal >> standard, not concert tuning. >> >> I have mentored enough experienced tuners through assimilating >>basic aural skills to have an opinion. ALL of them >> say it opened up a whole new world to them. All of them appreciated and >>valued the added techniques. You do know that >> none of the examiners get remuneration for the >> Hundreds of hours they have spent training for and being in the exam >>room? To give that much >> Free time you have to have a spirit that really desires to give back. >>These people want others to succeed, and have >> put their time and money behind their words giving thousands of dollars >>worth of time because they do care. One CTE I >> respect very much asked me once."if we will not preserve Something of >>the aural tradition, who will? " >> There is value there. There are people that care and give >>there. The aural part >> Deserves respect. >> >> Cheers >> Dave Renaud >> >> > > >-- >Duaine Hechler >Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ >Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding >Reed Organ Society Member >Florissant, MO 63034 >(314) 838-5587 >dahechler at att.net >www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com >-- >Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years > >
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