[pianotech] More Dues Paying Fiasco (Sigh.......)

[John Formsma]

The truth is that most of us who think the system is flawed knew that in
the summer of 2011. To trust it to work now, having complained about it
then, doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

The bottom line is Will could have paid his dues earlier. He could have
tried the payment system before the last minute, or do what I did: wrote a
check in December, put a $0.44 stamp on it, and mailed it in in plenty of
time. But he waited until the last minute. I have no sympathy for that. Not
being mean about it, but come on...seriously? :-)

Yeah, the system doesn't work that well. We knew that and continue to
verify that. But let's not mix that up with procrastination.


-- 
John Formsma, RPT
Blue Mountain, MS


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:06 AM, David Skolnik
<davidskolnik at optonline.net>wrote:

>  Sorry for previous mis-send
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> To David L and WimB -
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> DavidL wrote:
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> are people's lives that empty that this topic continues in every possible
> ridiculous iteration. People should get a life and move on. .... Life is
> too short as it is.
>
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> At the risk of continuing the offense:
> The original complaint was a re-kindled expression of frustration about an
> issue that has not entirely disappeared: frustration with aspects HL format
> and continued ignorance as to the ultimate (or sooner) disposition of this
> list.   I agree that Will's post was, perhaps, a bit premature, but, in his
> defense, he had already lost an hour of his time, at least allegedly, to
> the errant software, so some slack should have been extended.  Most of what
> followed was attacking him or in defense of.  And I would have let it ride,
> even though "get a life and move on" can, in fact, be read as provocative,
> but, between this and Wim's closing "shut the hell up" (sans :-)) to what
> was an otherwise reasonable perspective on organizational procedures, I
> felt disinclined to simply walk away.
>
> Both of you had the options of not continuing to read the thread or of not
> responding.  You both made valid points, but allowed yourselves to indulge
> in 'Zing'ery. That, as much as any flawed thought process of others, is
> what tends to perpetuate these things, past the point of enlightenment or
> fun.
>
> Let's do better.
>
> David Skolnik
> Hastings on Hudson, NY
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> At 09:17 PM 2/7/2012, you wrote:
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> In perspective.
>
> When I was on the Board about 30 years ago, dues were due Jan 1st, but
> dues notices were not sent out until Jan 31. Dues were delinquent March 31.
> RVP's were notified in April that if a member didn't pay by May 31, he/she
> would be dropped. In other words, a member would be able to receive full
> benefits, including being able to attend PTG sponsored seminars, and get
> the Journal for 5 months before membership would be dropped. When the Board
> first brought up the idea that we should send out dues notices before Jan
> 31, one Board member actually said. "members will think the PTG is begging
> for money".
>
> The Board, and Council, finally got their act together when we hired a
> management company to run our organization. Dues notices are now sent out
> at the beginning of November, with a payment due date of Jan 1st. The
> delinquent notices are sent out Jan. 31. By that time, dues are already 30
> over due.  When you car insurance bill has not been paid 1 week AFTER THE
> DUE DATE, you get a delinquency notice from the insurance company. The PTG
> is sending out a delinquency notice ONE MONTH after the due. date. How many
> days after the due date should the HO wait until the delinquent notice is
> sent out? One day, one week, a month?
>
> Bottom line. Not only are our dues collection process much more efficient,
> members have 3 months to get their dues paid before a delinquent notice is
> sent. If you don't want the hassle of dealing with a slow program, much
> less getting a delinquency notice in the mail, pay your dues early.
> Otherwise, shut the hell up.
>
> Wim
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> From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 3:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] More Dues Paying Fiasco (Sigh.......)
>
> Do we really think that a couple of letters getting sent out unnecessarily
> is breaking the bank? Time for a reality check. Is business that slow or
> are people's lives that empty that this topic continues in every possible
> ridiculous iteration. People should get a life and move on. Really. Strip
> away the inessential. Life is too short as it is.
> David Love
> www.davidlovepianos.com
> (sent from bb)
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