However, I wonder how many more of "me's" lurking on the list that are expressing themselves and not members ? On 10/25/2011 08:40 AM, Mark Schecter wrote: > Sorry, I had the context of the thread in mind, perhaps it wasn't obvious. I was referring to Duaine Hechler, who was > once a member, then dropped, and is therefore self-disenfranchised. Those who pay dues are by definition enfranchised, > so my statement really only applied to someone who had quit. If such a person continues to use the facilities, fine, > they're made available to all and sundry. But if such a person continues to talk as if they expect their opinion > should carry some weight, and they can't stop condemning the facilities they are using to complain, or worse, > condemning the organization whose generosity gives them the pulpit they are spewing from (PTG), then at some point I > think it becomes necessary to stand up and say, "Sir, if you so don't like it, why do you continue to hang around and > complain? Why don't you leave? If you want someone to take your complaints seriously, you should join the > organization. But if you want to make the case that the organization and its facilities don't meet your approval, buy > an ad somewhere. Don't continue to annoy those whose efforts, time, and money make your participation possible, and > expect to be warmly welcomed." > > Now do I make myself clear? > > -- Mark Schecter > > > > On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:04 AM, Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com <mailto:pianofritz50 at aol.com>> wrote: > >> Dear Mark, I think our PTG President just got done talking about ethics and not making statements that are absent >> data/facts. If you want to complain about those who do not pay dues, then name them. >> But according to my.ptg.org <http://my.ptg.org>, if you search on Paul Williams, he is in fact a dues paying PTG >> member and RPT. >> I also am a dues paying PTG member, and the St Louis chapter newsletter editor. >> Since you did not mention "who" was not paying in your email, you threw anyone voicing dissatisfaction w/ any issues >> all into the same category, which shows your general statement is false. >> "Just the facts, ma'am"... >> Bill Fritz >> From: Mark Schecter <mark at schecterpiano.com <mailto:mark at schecterpiano.com>> >> To: pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org> <pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>> >> Cc: pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org> <pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>> >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] New List >> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:29:26 -0700 >> >> No, and that's the point. Anyone who cares to sign up for a list can avail themself of the resources embodied in the >> lists, but in my mind, that generosity of PTG doesn't entitle them to unlimited griping rights. >> >> -- Mark Schecter >> >> >> >> On Oct 24, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Laura Olsen <ajoyfulsound at gmail.com <mailto:ajoyfulsound at gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't those self-disenfranchised peanut gallery folks pay dues?? >>> >>> Laura >>> >>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Mark Schecter wrote: >>> >>>> Two separate issues. I actually don't know the dynamics of who decides and how. I'm just sick of schoolyard taunts >>>> from the self-disenfranchised peanut gallery. >>>> >>>> -- Mark Schecter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Paul T Williams <pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu <mailto:pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> But, apparently, we join, and still no vote! -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler at att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years
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