[pianotech] Bluthner birdcage

John Ross jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
Wed Sep 9 04:55:46 MDT 2009


I use a Papp's mute, and lots of light.
John Ross
Windsor, Nova Scotia
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gregor _ 
  To: pianotech at ptg.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [pianotech] Bluthner birdcage


  Terry,

  wow, never heard of that muting technique. No wonder that you feel traumatized :-)

  I tuned many of these birdcages. When I used to be an aural tuner I tilted the action forward to insert a temperament mute strip or better a mute comb and pushed the action back. After tuning the temperament I removed the strip/comb and tuned the unisons with a single mute. Then going down in octaves (checking the fourth/fifth) and finally going up in octaves. Always using a single mute for the string to be tuned and one mute for the checking string. Never tilting the action for every single key.

  Now, using an ETD, it´s much easier. I start with A0 and go up to C8. Always using a single mute like Rob described. It´s a little bit tricky to insert the mute because you don´t see very much. But after a while it becomes much easier, no need to worry. Annoying is that you allways have to stoop down to look where to insert the mute. I am not shure wich mute you used, I use these:

  http://www.meyne-klaviertechnik.de/start.php?go=10details&id=647&code=2&zustand=5&site=0

  or these:

  http://www.meyne-klaviertechnik.de/start.php?go=10details&id=648&code=2&zustand=5&site=0

  We see many birdcage pianos here, and usually we recommend not to invest any money aside from tuning. But there are 2 exceptions, and this is commen sense in Germany: Blüthner and Ibach overdampers. Often very well sounding and well damping.

  BTW: sometimes you can´t tilt the action forward because it´s connected with the key frame. In that case you have to pull the key frame including the action.


  Gregor

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  piano technician - tuner - dealer
  Münster, Germany
  www.weldert.de




  > From: mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com
  > To: pianotech at ptg.org
  > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 05:07:41 -0400
  > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Bluthner birdcage
  > 
  > Thanks for the pics Rob. I've tuned a few English birdcages - never a 
  > Bluthner. On the English birdcages I loosen the top anchor bolts for 
  > the action (or however the action top is attached to the plate). Then 
  > I simply (or not, as the case often is) tip the action forward to move 
  > my mutes, push the action back, tune the string, tip action forward, 
  > move mute, push action back, tune string, etc.
  > 
  > A pain in the tushy. I charge by the hour (an elevated hourly rate 
  > that compensates me for the pain and suffering as well as the mental 
  > trauma associated with this type of work). Same thing for square grands.
  > 
  > Terry Farrell
  > 
  > 
  > On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:03 AM, Rob McCall wrote:
  > 
  > > Greetings,
  > >
  > > I just wanted to share a first for me. I've heard many on the list 
  > > talk of birdcage actions, overdampers, etc. but I've never 
  > > experienced one... that is, until tonight.
  > >
  > > I had an evening appointment with a very important client. She's 
  > > very connected with the local music community and a recommendation 
  > > from her can go a long way towards enhancing my career. So, I 
  > > already felt a slight modicum of pressure.
  > >
  > > Anyway, I walk in and I find a beautiful black upright. It's away 
  > > from the windows and not under any vents. It looks well taken care 
  > > of. We chat and I find out this piano used to belong to a famous 
  > > opera singer from Germany. It was purchased by her grandmother and 
  > > eventually shipped from Germany over to the US and finally ends up 
  > > where I find it... So, I open the top lid, check the serial number 
  > > (75256) and find out it was built in 1908.
  > >
  > > When I removed the front panel, I'm sure I was screaming 
  > > internally. I'd just laid eyes on what I knew had to be the 
  > > notorious birdcage. It looked like prison bars to me. :-) I won't 
  > > go into too many details, but the piano tuned beautifully, other 
  > > than a few loose tuning pins that are just barely holding on at the 
  > > moment. We agreed to address these later... When I started tuning, 
  > > it was less than 3 cents off and it hadn't been tuned in about a year.
  > >
  > > I have a question... How the heck do you guys mute this thing? 
  > > Other than what I ended up doing which was to use a single mute and 
  > > work my way up (from the tenor break), and then down (below the 
  > > break). It seems like it was designed to make it as hard as possible 
  > > to reach anything other than the tuning pin. Any tips or techniques 
  > > will be welcomed with open arms.
  > >
  > > Well, the end result was that she ended up happy, the piano sounded 
  > > beautiful, and I needed a drink. :-)
  > >
  > > Here's a couple of photos of the Bluthner. It was really in 
  > > excellent condition. Ivory keys were all intact, too.
  > >
  > > Regards,
  > >
  > > Rob McCall
  > > Murrieta, CA
  > >
  > > <Bluthner.jpg>
  > >
  > > <Bluthner 2.jpg>
  > 


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