[pianotech] Working for manufacturers, was Re: Don't work for this manufacturer

Mike Spalding mike.spalding1 at verizon.net
Thu Oct 29 06:40:55 MDT 2009


James,

Mark Wisner represents Kawai USA.  I have done a couple of warranty jobs 
for him since he joined that company, and have been very impressed with 
his/their efficiency and integrity.  They support their customers, and 
they support the techs in the field.

Mike

James Grebe wrote:
> I do not remember what company Mark works for but he shows what 
> intelligence, fact, and sense of order he has.  That is what makes a 
> good rep.
> James
> James Grebe Est. 1962
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Israel Stein" <custos3 at comcast.net>
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:59 PM
> Subject: [pianotech] Don't work for this manufacturer
>
>
>>
>>
>>> Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:30:45 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
>>> Mark Wisner wrote:
>>
>>> In the case Israel relates below, it seems like the proper thing to 
>>> do would be to notify the
>>> manufacturer that you have discovered a defect that you believe 
>>> should be covered and
>>> corrected under warranty. If the maker agrees, they'll authorize you 
>>> to do the job, then you
>>> send them the bill when the work is done.
>>
>>> It's certainly possible that I've misunderstood what Wim wrote 
>>> earlier, but as I recall the dealer
>>> asked Wim to do the job and send the bill to the manufacturer, 
>>> without it ever being authorized.
>>> You usually don't get to spend someone else's money without them 
>>> saying it's OK first.
>>
>>> Mark Wisner
>>
>> Excellent point, Mark. It underscores the idea that as professional 
>> practitioners we need to understand routine, widespread business 
>> practices that are commonplace in the service business world. This is 
>> what mechanics and repair people of any sort do routinely, and I 
>> don't know why it should present such a difficulty for piano 
>> technicians. It's something that you learn how to do, and every time 
>> you deal with a new company, you learn what their process is, whom to 
>> talk to what information they need, and how to avoid unnecessary 
>> hassles. I should think that classes in this would be unnecessary - 
>> it is just so common sense - but perhaps "common sense" belongs to 
>> the same class of phenomena as the English Horn and the Holy Roman 
>> Empire (for you history mavens...)
>>
>> Israel Stein
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Greg,
>>>
>>>> Good for you. But it isn't quite that simple. What would you do in 
>>>> a case that you find a serious warranty issue in a new piano that 
>>>> the new owner isn't quite aware of? Say - backchucking (pulley) 
>>>> keys. It doesn't bother them now - but sooner or later their 
>>>> checking will go to hell, and the keys will get noisy. Too soon for 
>>>> the age of the piano - but probably after the warranty expires. So 
>>>> you are going to tell the owner about this - and charge them a 
>>>> fairly steep fee to fix it right - and make them chase the 
>>>> manufacturer for the cost? Good f.....n luck, Greg. Most of the 
>>>> time they'll think you are trying to pull a fast one on them. OK, 
>>>> so you'll just keep your mouth shut and not say anything, right? 
>>>> Would that be ethical?
>>> >
>>>> There is more to the business of piano tuning than just doing the 
>>>> work and collecting the fee. If we want to be treated like 
>>>> professionals, we need to behave in a professional manner - which 
>>>> sometimes means dealing with manufacturers and other large 
>>>> companies, and jumping through whatever hoops they make us jump 
>>>> through in order to protect our clients' best interests. And 
>>>> sometimes it's a hassle - but hey, that's all part of the business...
>>>>
>>>> Israel Stein
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org 
>>>>> [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Mark Wisner
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:21 AM
>>>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Don't work for this manufacturer
>>>
>>>>> Wim wrote..."I hope that this episode will be a learning 
>>>>> experience on Samick's part..."
>>>
>>>>> Wim, I've no doubt Samick, and Ms. Jones, have learned something 
>>>>> from this experience, but I suspect the lesson they learned wasn't 
>>>>> the one you intended to teach.
>>>
>>>>> The "learning experience" with Samick could have been avoided by 
>>>>> following a rule I learned a long time ago (the hard way) which 
>>>>> is: Whoever requests the service pays the bill. For example; When 
>>>>> a party requested that I submit my bill to a third party for 
>>>>> payment I'd ask if they were confident that the third party will 
>>>>> pay the bill in a timely fashion? And when the inevitable "yes" 
>>>>> response followed, my reply was along the lines of "Fine, then you 
>>>>> won't have a problem getting reimbursed".
>>>
>>>>> Mark Wisner
>>
>>
>>
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