[pianotech] U1 - stained bass strings

Michael Magness IFixPianos at yahoo.com
Tue Oct 20 18:13:46 MDT 2009


On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:58 PM, James Grebe <jamesgrebe at charter.net> wrote:

> It looks like the strings on a Yammy gr a customer used alcohol to remove
> magic marker that his son put on the strings.  Almost like plating came off
> James
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Mitchell" <tpa2sfr at pacbell.net>
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:31 PM
> Subject: [pianotech] U1 - stained bass strings
>
>
>   I've been working with Yamaha on this, but the best we've come up with
>> is
>> that some sort of atmospheric contaminant is attacking the strings.
>> Thought
>> I would try this group to see if anyone has seen the problem. This is on a
>> 4
>> year old Yamaha U1.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you can (hopefully) see from the pictures, this is a very unusual
>> phenomena.  It looks to be some kind of ink or marker in some very odd
>> places.  It occurs on ALL the wound bass strings under the damper felts
>> and
>> at the hammer strike points.  For the damper felts, the stain is exactly
>> at
>> the contact point between the felts and strings.  For the monochords, the
>> stain wraps around the string.  For the bi-chords, the stain is between
>> the
>> strings from the wedge.  It's as if someone used ink-soaked dampers and
>> hammers to check for damper contact and strike point.  (The hammers and
>> dampers themselves on this piano are normal and show no signs of the
>> stain).
>> The stain is not just on the surface of the coils -- it seems to be all
>> the
>> way into the grooves.
>>
>>
>>
>> Furthermore, both the L and R strings on B1 (as well as some other
>> strings)
>> have the markings smeared from the dampers almost up to the tuning pins.
>> And there is an every-fourth-string marking again closer to the tuning
>> pins.
>> All the strings look completely normal and free of the markings below the
>> dampers.  I tried some fine emery paper on a B1 string and the marks
>> seemed
>> to scrape off fairly easily.  I didn't want to try anything more
>> aggressive
>> like alcohol, wire brushing or steel wool.
>>
>>
>>
>> The customer's concern is that at a minimum, this diminishes the resale
>> value of her piano and at worst, might be something that would accelerate
>> string wear/breakage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone seen this before?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> Mitchell Piano Service
>>
>> (415) 994-1030
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>

 I worked on a P22 years ago that someone had sneezed on, the blued pins had
specks of rust ranging from many at the point of the sneeze to just a few at
the treble, the farthest point from the sneeze. There were also some specks
of rust on the strings.
Before I could call the dealer, the minister happened by and saw it, I was
notified to go back there a few weeks later to tune a different P22.

Mike
-- 
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Steven Wright


Michael Magness
Magness Piano Service
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www.IFixPianos.com
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