Hi David Ric, Are you saying that inserting a brass bushing (what is that? like a pin?) under the string in the middle of the bridge will never cause a false beat or that sometimes it never causes a false beat? That replacing a bridge pin on a string that is clean always stays clean even if the new pin is smaller and loose? David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 "Never" is a very big word, as is "Always":) So of course I wont say this or that either "always" or "never" happens. I do know a fair deal about the discipline of statistics however and can use it reasonably well enough to confirm, validate, (or not) claims like the "loose pin causes false beats" theory. And after some 50 experiments of various ways simulating the loose pin condition I find it impossible to confirm the cause/effect relationship claimed and indeed see more statistical evidence to reject it then anything else. To answer your query about the brass bushing. Yes it could be a center pin (and I have used those as well a few times for this), but really anything that will raise the string level over the bridge surface leaving the front half of the string more or less floating in air held only in place by the front bridge pin. 2 mm height ought to more then be adequate to ascertain the assumed flag poling effect that is supposed to cause false beats. If you do this on say 100 strings, you need to observe enough positive returns on your hypothesis for it to be validated. Under this percent there is a grey area where you can neither validate or discount it, and at some point you have enough negative returns to reject the hypothesis. My experiments lean pretty heavily towards rejection. You can also take false beating strings and subject them to the same kinds of experiments and find similar random results. An annoying (for the theory) degree of false beating strings actually get cleaned up when raising them thus or inserting a very loose pin. I cant see how this points to anything else then that there is very good grounds for suspecting that something else is primarily at work in the occurrence of classic false beat. The fact that the addition of CA, epoxy, various lacquers etc to the wood so often results in a lessening of falseness does not in itself support the loose pin idea. It only shows a connection between the addition of these substances to the wood of the bridge and the occurrence of false beats. It does not follow from this fact exactly what the cause/effect relationship is one way or the other. Its interesting to note that this same addition of these substances has essentially the same "cleaning" up effect on strings where I have purposely also introduced an undersized bridge pin. All this points me in the direction of looking closer at the role the wood in the area of the bridge surrounding the bridge pin itself has to play in all this and away from the idea that it is a flag poling pin that is at fault. I know of course this is at odds with the popular notion at present.... but the data in front of me is just plain to difficult to ignore. Cheers RicB
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