[pianotech] Do fourths beat faster?

PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com
Fri Feb 6 22:23:09 PST 2009


Thanks, David. I am stunned by your clarity! :-)
 
Paul
 
 
In a message dated 2/6/2009 11:54:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
davidlovepianos at comcast.net writes:

 
“Stunning”,  a bit overstated but  what I mean is that as one ascends or 
descends  through the scale the tendency is to change the interval relationships 
of  fourths and fifths.  Fifths tend to lose their slight narrowness and get  
more perfect and fourths then must become a bit wider.  While we may  intend 
to keep the same beat rates with fourths and fifths in practice that’s  not 
what happens.   
 
David  Love 
www.davidlovepianos.com
 
 
From:  pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf 
Of  PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:23  PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Do  fourths beat faster?

 
David:
 

 
The  level of opacity of this comment is stunning. What on earth do you mean? 
 
 

 
Paul
 

 
ps I  still owe you a picture of that fret file ;-)
 

 
 
In a  message dated 2/6/2009 11:07:07 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
davidlovepianos at comcast.net writes:

 
Just  to play devil’s advocate here, and with all due respect to the skill 
level  of those involved in this discussion, sometimes there is a difference in  
perception between what we think we do and what we actually do.  That’s  all 
I want to say.   
 
David  Love 
_www.davidlovepianos.com_ (http://www.davidlovepianos.com/) 
 
 
From:  pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf 
Of  PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:28  PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Do  fourths beat faster?

 
Well  said! And ye got there afore me! :-)
 

 
Paul
 

 
 
In  a message dated 2/6/2009 9:55:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
pianotech at a440piano.net writes:

SNIP

>  We don't need to discuss how many tunings we have all performed to  justify
> our knowledge.
>
> Regards
>  Brian

Neither do we need to discuss how many theories and  calculations we 
can/have/should be doing.  You've got the math  worked out Brian, that's 
clear.  But before you continue shouting  out against those who don't do 
mathematical calculations every time  they tune a third/fourth/fifth or 
whatever, consider that there are  many ways to achieve fine tunings.  I 
assure you, whatever chasm  there is between you and David A. in 
communication, and in your chosen  thought processes when tuning, when you 
listen to one of his tunings  (I have) you'll simply have to accept that his 
methodology  works.  David is an excellent technician and an excellent tuner, 
 
and however he thinks about how he does what he does is largely  irrelevant.

Fantastic tunings can be obtained by technicians with a  dizzying range of 
theoretical knowledge.  You like the numbers,  others may not, but the 
results speak.  As author Piers Anthony  once said to a class of english 
students (paraphrasing here) "I no  more need to know the names of all the 
parts of speech to use them  properly than I need to know the names of all 
the parts of the human  body to use them properly."  And yes, we can break 
this analogy  down, but the sentiment is interesting food for thought.

So, ease  up on the ranting and ponder that it really might not be so linear  
(the tuning process, that is).

William R.  Monroe

 
  
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