Then quit reading the thread if you are so dismayed. In a message dated 8/28/2009 11:24:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tunerboy3 at comcast.net writes: It's turning more into an ego---who knows more--- who can win this discussion tham a problem solving discussion. From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:08 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up In a message dated 8/28/2009 11:06:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tunerboy3 at comcast.net writes: Well, all you guys are doing is going back and forth trying to win something that none of you is willing to concede on except asking questions to avoid answers... Or, at least one of you is anyway.... Win is knowledge, not ego. You're talking to yourself, maybe. P -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Love Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:44 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up If it's boring to you don't read it. For those questioning policy with customers regarding pitch raises and the necessity for follow up appointments it has relevance. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Groot Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:41 PM To: 'David Ilvedson'; pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up Agreed. -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Ilvedson Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:48 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up Zzzzzz........................ David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 8/28/2009 1:24:39 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up >In a message dated 8/28/2009 7:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >rnossaman at cox.net writes: >Well, nobody asked, but in case at least that many care - in >my world, David's got it right. >Well, Ron, nobody did, but David has a perspective, as do you, which is not > "right" but self-informed, and so also not "wrong". >I see no reason, presuming the >piano's tunable in the first place, that it can't be left in >an acceptable >So, "acceptable" = "adequate" or "fine"? Which is it? > >Do these words mean nothing? Is there no distinction? > >state of tune after a pitch raise. If, during >the process, every realistic effort is made to pound the slack >out of the back scale, followed by a real attempt to leave a >stable string as you typically would, there's no reason you >shouldn't end up with a piano as in tune as if you hadn't done >a pitch raise. >Can you substitute the word "stable" in place of "in tune" and make the >same flat claim? (no pun intended) > > >I agree with everything else you say, but I don't know what kind of tuning >you are describing. > >Cheers, > >P >That's the de-fuzzifier. You can leave the >piano reflecting your typical standard of tuning after even a >substantial pitch raise. How long it will stay that way >depends mostly, in my experience, on how well you were able to >equalize segment tensions on both sides of the bridges. Some >techs have no conception of this, and some are fairly good at >it. I've done half-to-full semitone pitch raises, with >instructions to call for another tuning when it becomes >obvious it's needed, and tuned the piano two years later no >more off pitch than a stable piano tuned six months ago. I've >also had them quite rough in a month, indicating I hadn't >gotten segment tensions equalized as I had tried, even though >the piano was in good tune when I left. I think two weeks is >rushing it some for the follow up. A month is more reasonable >to me, or when it sounds like it needs it. But that's my call. >So, as usual, it depends. >Ron N _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090828-0, 08/28/2009 Tested on: 8/28/2009 11:41:01 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090828-0, 08/28/2009 Tested on: 8/29/2009 12:06:29 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. ____________________________________ ____________________________________ _avast! Antivirus_ (http://www.avast.com/) : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090828-0, 08/28/2009 Tested on: 8/29/2009 12:23:00 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20090829/906ccc2d/attachment.htm>
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