I respectfully disagree. Just because the client cannot hear it, is no excuse to do a so so tuning. We should always do the best we can regardless of the situation. -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Ilvedson Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:08 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit And since most of our customers do not have "qualified ears" a one pass pitch raise tuning can work, the heck with it being "sloppy workmanship". Some of us nitpick to the nth degree on the List, but in reality do the best they can as the situation dictates. David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "Gerald Groot" <tunerboy3 at comcast.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 8/7/2009 2:00:03 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit >My take would be what I said. " Perhaps to an unqualified ear, it would >sound "good enough" but to a qualified ear that can hear the difference, it >will not and should not be good enough." Or, sloppy workmanship. > > >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >Of Terry Farrell >Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:56 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit > >Well, actually I quite agree with your statements. I just wonder why it is >that I so often hear what I originally stated...... > >Terry Farrell > >On Aug 7, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Gerald Groot wrote: >For me, if a piano is even 1 cent off for a fine tuning, that's a lot. > >I've used RCT for a couple of years now and while I like it a great deal, it >does not put a fine enough tuning on a pitch raised piano to a qualified >tuning ear. A second fine tuning pass is always needed unless the piano is >maybe only a couple of cents off or so. Of, if the person behind the >machine just figures "good enough" and I don't do that. I guess what I'm >saying is this. Perhaps to an unqualified ear, it would sound "good enough" >but to a qualified ear that can hear the difference, it will not and should >not be good enough. > >Each piano tunes differently and must be compensated for in a different >manner in some way or another with not only a pitch raise but with a fine >tuning as well. When we tune a lousy good for nothing piano, often times we >compensate say, a 3rd for a better sounding 5th or visa versa for a better >sounding octave. > >Plus, RCT and all machines do not always pick up on the correct readings as >they should. Especially on the cheap end pianos. And, they do not always >listen to what they should be listening for which means, it remains up to us >to be able to tell the difference and then to be able to know what to do >about it. > >Jer > >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >Of Terry Farrell >Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:24 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit > >How can that be true? From what I hear, Cybertuner can calculate offsets on >any and every piano to within a couple of cents from any degree of flatness >- such that a second, fine tuning pass, is not needed. > >Terry Farrell > >On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Piano Boutique wrote: >Another William adding a thought. > >It has been my experience that pulling a piano sharp for a pitch raise, is >not as cut and dried as one might think. To begin with a Baldwin, >especially the studios hardly fall at all. On the other hand there is >Wurlitzer and Kimball that fall considerably. Finally, there are the >American Aeolian spinets that, well, you get the drift. > >There is just my take on the fact that every piano is different as well as >the tuner handling the problem. > >William > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gerald Groot <mailto:tunerboy3 at comcast.net> >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:47 PM >Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit > >William. I agree. A machine isn't everything and no matter how hard we >try, the human ear is awfully hard to beat in the end. > >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >Of William Monroe >Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:36 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit > >Dare I.......... >Satisfaction, Duaine. A desire to be better. A realization that for some, >the craft, the process of creating is also fulfilling. And it provides an >opportunity to grow. Why tax oneself? I study the Tae Kwon Do, and no >matter how good I get, there will always be room for improvement, personal >growth, professional growth. Without stress, and strain, there is no >improvement. In my life, repetition is meaningless without concurrent >improvement and growth. It's what satisfies me. It's not wasteful for >those who gain something from the process. >I think I wrote this for me....... >William R. Monroe > >a440a wrote: >> I have simplified my life. I use the SAT <snip> I tune 88 notes to >> the top. It works well, its fast, and will produce a performance >> level tuning 98% of the time. >> Regards, >> -- >> Ed Foote RPT > >SNIP >BINGO!! THEN - WHY - waste / stress / strain your ears doing COMPLETE >aural tunings. > >SNIP > >Regards, Duaine > > > _____ >avast! 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