[pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit

Gerald Groot tunerboy3 at comcast.net
Fri Aug 7 15:00:03 MDT 2009


My take would be what I said.  " Perhaps to an unqualified ear, it would
sound "good enough" but to a qualified ear that can hear the difference, it
will not and should not be good enough."  Or, sloppy workmanship.    

 

 

From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Terry Farrell
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:56 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit

 

Well, actually I quite agree with your statements. I just wonder why it is
that I so often hear what I originally stated......

 

Terry Farrell

 

On Aug 7, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Gerald Groot wrote:





For me, if a piano is even 1 cent off for a fine tuning, that's a lot. 

 

I've used RCT for a couple of years now and while I like it a great deal, it
does not put a fine enough tuning on a pitch raised piano to a qualified
tuning ear.  A second fine tuning pass is always needed unless the piano is
maybe only a couple of cents off or so.   Of, if the  person behind the
machine just figures "good enough" and I don't do that.  I guess what I'm
saying is this.  Perhaps to an unqualified ear, it would sound "good enough"
but to a qualified ear that can hear the difference, it will not and should
not be good enough.   

 

Each piano tunes differently and must be compensated for in a different
manner in some way or another with not only a pitch raise but with a fine
tuning as well.  When we tune a lousy good for nothing piano, often times we
compensate say, a 3rd for a better sounding 5th or visa versa for a better
sounding octave. 

 

Plus, RCT and all machines do not always pick up on the correct readings as
they should. Especially on the cheap end pianos.  And, they do not always
listen to what they should be listening for which means, it remains up to us
to be able to tell the difference and then to be able to know what to do
about it. 

 

Jer

 

From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Terry Farrell
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:24 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit

 

How can that be true? From what I hear, Cybertuner can calculate offsets on
any and every piano to within a couple of cents from any degree of flatness
- such that a second, fine tuning pass, is not needed.

 

Terry Farrell

 

On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Piano Boutique wrote:






Another William adding a thought.

 

It has been my experience that pulling a piano sharp for a pitch raise, is
not as cut and dried as one might think.   To begin with a Baldwin,
especially the studios hardly fall at all.   On the other hand there is
Wurlitzer and Kimball that fall considerably.   Finally, there are the
American Aeolian spinets that, well, you get the drift.

 

There is just my take on the fact that every piano is different as well as
the tuner handling the problem.

 

William

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Groot <mailto:tunerboy3 at comcast.net> 

To: pianotech at ptg.org

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:47 PM

Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit

 

William.  I agree.  A machine isn't everything and no matter how hard we
try, the human ear is awfully hard to beat in the end.

 

From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of William Monroe
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:36 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit

 

Dare I..........

Satisfaction, Duaine.  A desire to be better.  A realization that for some,
the craft, the process of creating is also fulfilling.  And it provides an
opportunity to grow.  Why tax oneself?  I study the Tae Kwon Do, and no
matter how good I get, there will always be room for improvement, personal
growth, professional growth.  Without stress, and strain, there is no
improvement.  In my life, repetition is meaningless without concurrent
improvement and growth.  It's what satisfies me.  It's not wasteful for
those who gain something from the process.

I think I wrote this for me.......

William R. Monroe

 

a440a wrote:
> I have simplified my life.  I use the SAT  <snip> I tune 88 notes to
> the top.  It works well, its fast, and will produce a performance
> level tuning 98% of the time.
> Regards,
> --
> Ed Foote RPT



 

SNIP


BINGO!! THEN - WHY - waste / stress / strain your ears doing COMPLETE
aural tunings.

 

SNIP

 

Regards, Duaine

 

 


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