[pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit

Terry Farrell mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com
Fri Aug 7 14:56:09 MDT 2009


Well, actually I quite agree with your statements. I just wonder why  
it is that I so often hear what I originally stated......

Terry Farrell

On Aug 7, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Gerald Groot wrote:

> For me, if a piano is even 1 cent off for a fine tuning, that's a lot.
>
> I've used RCT for a couple of years now and while I like it a great  
> deal, it does not put a fine enough tuning on a pitch raised piano  
> to a qualified tuning ear.  A second fine tuning pass is always  
> needed unless the piano is maybe only a couple of cents off or so.    
> Of, if the  person behind the machine just figures "good enough" and  
> I don't do that.  I guess what I'm saying is this.  Perhaps to an  
> unqualified ear, it would sound "good enough" but to a qualified ear  
> that can hear the difference, it will not and should not be good  
> enough.
>
> Each piano tunes differently and must be compensated for in a  
> different manner in some way or another with not only a pitch raise  
> but with a fine tuning as well.  When we tune a lousy good for  
> nothing piano, often times we compensate say, a 3rd for a better  
> sounding 5th or visa versa for a better sounding octave.
>
> Plus, RCT and all machines do not always pick up on the correct  
> readings as they should. Especially on the cheap end pianos.  And,  
> they do not always listen to what they should be listening for which  
> means, it remains up to us to be able to tell the difference and  
> then to be able to know what to do about it.
>
> Jer
>
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org]  
> On Behalf Of Terry Farrell
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:24 PM
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit
>
> How can that be true? From what I hear, Cybertuner can calculate  
> offsets on any and every piano to within a couple of cents from any  
> degree of flatness - such that a second, fine tuning pass, is not  
> needed.
>
> Terry Farrell
>
> On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Piano Boutique wrote:
>
>
> Another William adding a thought.
>
> It has been my experience that pulling a piano sharp for a pitch  
> raise, is not as cut and dried as one might think.   To begin with a  
> Baldwin, especially the studios hardly fall at all.   On the other  
> hand there is Wurlitzer and Kimball that fall considerably.    
> Finally, there are the American Aeolian spinets that, well, you get  
> the drift.
>
> There is just my take on the fact that every piano is different as  
> well as the tuner handling the problem.
>
> William
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerald Groot
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit
>
> William.  I agree.  A machine isn't everything and no matter how  
> hard we try, the human ear is awfully hard to beat in the end.
>
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org]  
> On Behalf Of William Monroe
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:36 PM
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit
>
> Dare I..........
>
> Satisfaction, Duaine.  A desire to be better.  A realization that  
> for some, the craft, the process of creating is also fulfilling.   
> And it provides an opportunity to grow.  Why tax oneself?  I study  
> the Tae Kwon Do, and no matter how good I get, there will always be  
> room for improvement, personal growth, professional growth.  Without  
> stress, and strain, there is no improvement.  In my life, repetition  
> is meaningless without concurrent improvement and growth.  It's what  
> satisfies me.  It's not wasteful for those who gain something from  
> the process.
>
> I think I wrote this for me.......
>
> William R. Monroe
>
>
> a440a wrote:
> > I have simplified my life.  I use the SAT  <snip> I tune 88 notes to
> > the top.  It works well, its fast, and will produce a performance
> > level tuning 98% of the time.
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Ed Foote RPT
>
>
>
>
> SNIP
>
> BINGO!! THEN - WHY - waste / stress / strain your ears doing COMPLETE
> aural tunings.
>
> SNIP
>
> Regards, Duaine
>
>
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