OT Victor Borge - the Piano Tuner (Israel)

[Phil Frankenberg]

If you listen closely you will hear a left hand accompaniment when only his 
right hand is playing. It happens early on when his gets to the far pianos. 
He's a genius in my book and syncing with the real audio was almost 
flawless.

Phil Frankenberg
Chico, Ca.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Sivak" <tvaktvak at sbcglobal.net>
To: <ilvey at sbcglobal.net>; "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: OT Victor Borge - the Piano Tuner (Israel)


> Right, there's another clue!   How could you even mic
> all those pianos so that they sound exactly the same;
> same ambience, same tone, same volume.
>
> One million dollars still says the sound is dubbed in.
>
> Tom Sivak
> Chicago
> --- David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> When was that made?   Did the technology exist to
>> match the pianist's hands to the sound...or was
>> Victor simply making sure he hit the notes in time
>> with the piped in music?   Another clue would be the
>> lack of differences from one piano to the next if
>> over-dubbed....
>>
>> David Ilvedson, RPT
>> Pacifica, CA  94044
>>
>> ----- Original message
>> ----------------------------------------
>> From: "Tom Sivak" <tvaktvak at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
>> Received: 3/15/2008 8:06:35 AM
>> Subject: RE: OT Victor Borge - the Piano Tuner
>> (Israel)
>>
>>
>> >Israel
>>
>> >I did in fact meet Victor Borge once, on Michigan
>> >Avenue in Chicago.  He really was a hero of mine
>> when
>> >I was growing up.  I was thrilled to see him
>> standing
>> >on the corner with an associate and I just wanted
>> to
>> >tell him that I had been watching him and enjoying
>> his
>> >antics since I was a child.  And, being a
>> professional
>> >pianist at that time in my life, I had some piano
>> >music with me, and I thought I'd have him autograph
>> >one of my pieces of music.   Perhaps a
>> conversation,
>> >just pianist to pianist, might ensue!
>>
>> >Unfortunately, he was brusque, nearly rude to me.
>> I
>> >handed him the piece of music to sign;  you'd think
>> he
>> >might say.   He took it, signed it, and walked away
>> >from me before I could get a word out.
>>
>> >Now, that's not why I am certain that the sound was
>> >dubbed in.
>>
>> >Even Chico Marx's piano work in the films was
>> dubbed
>> >in later.  At least with Chico, he did actually
>> play
>> >everything you see in the film and performed his
>> >routines live.  But if you look closely enough, you
>> >can see him hit a crack that is not heard in the
>> audio
>> >track;  other things vary slightly, either in
>> timing
>> >or in the actual notes you hear versus what you
>> see.
>> >It was dubbed in later, just to make it perfect.
>>
>> >But this Victor Borge video clip, as entertaining
>> as
>> >it is, is pure fraud.  There's no way that what
>> you're
>> >hearing was produced at the same time as what you
>> see.
>> > The million dollar offer still stands.
>>
>> >Tom Sivak
>> >Chicago
>>
>> >--- Israel Stein <custos3 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Subject: RE: OT Victor Borge - the Piano Tuner
>> >> >Message: 2
>> >> >
>> >> >Don
>> >> >
>> >> >It was the last two pianos at the far end of the
>> >> room
>> >> >from the camera that led me to believe it was
>> >> dubbed
>> >> >in.  He sat at the piano on the right and
>> reached
>> >> >behind to play octave A's on the piano behind
>> him
>> >> at
>> >> >the end of each phrase.
>> >> >
>> >> >No one, not Victor Borge, not Horowitz, could
>> reach
>> >> >blindly behind himself and strike octave A's
>> >> cleanly,
>> >> >twice in a row.  I don't care how much he
>> >> practiced,
>> >> >unless he has eyes in the back of his head, that
>> >> was
>> >> >dubbed in.
>> >> >
>> >> >The rest of it also looked dubbed in to me.  The
>> >> >cavalier way in which he'd strike the chords as
>> he
>> >> >went from piano to piano.  There was no care at
>> the
>> >> >last moment to strike the right keys.  It was
>> all
>> >> for
>> >> >show.
>> >>
>> >> Tom,
>> >>
>> >> Have you ever met Victor Borge in person? Did you
>> >> ever spend any time
>> >> around him? He cultivated that "off-hand" manner.
>> At
>> >> the piano,
>> >> backstage, out and about - his public persona was
>> an
>> >> endless
>> >> progression of off-hand gags, one after the
>> other. I
>> >> wouldn't bet the
>> >> mortgage if I were you - never mind $1,000,000.
>> >>
>> >> Israel Stein
>> >>
>> >> >I'd bet a million dollars on it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Tom Sivak
>> >> >Chicago
>> >> >--- Don Mannino <donmannino at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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