> I'm interested in this thread because I've a similar problem with a Kawai. > Ron, > Backscale, sounds reasonable then to stretch and settle the back scale.?.? > Fenton I don't think so, because the back scale isn't unstretched or unsettled. The line of thought that, in thirty years, has gotten me to this point is this: When the slightest movement of tuning pin by the hammer results in a detectable change in speaking length pitch, and you can easily control the thing, by speaking length pitch and the feel of what's happening in the hammer, and it survives whatever test blow(s) you're fondest of, your problem isn't from the speaking length bridge pin forward. Why? Because you've moved all that, felt it move, heard the results, and being a competent tech with some years' experience, left it in a stable state. What you don't know, and what no amount of magic hammer technique will EVER tell you is the condition of the segments behind the front bridge pin row. You have no way of ascertaining what's waiting for you back there - NONE. You can't feel what's there because you likely haven't made a big enough tension difference during tuning (unless you raised pitch substantially), to overcome the bridge pin friction points and detect the resulting movement. So you basically take what you can get. If you pound too hard during tuning, you can pull some of that back scale through the bridge, leaving the rear segment tensions higher than what you settle the front lengths to by listening to the speaking length. Later, with the tiny movements of temperature and later humidity changes, the tensions will tend to equalize some and the speaking length will go sharp. If the back lengths are of lower tension when you tune it (which you can't know) and you can't manage to pull the string through the bridge with test blows, the speaking length pitch will drop later either by those same temperature changes, or by someone hitting it harder in play than you did tuning it. Where do you suppose the pitch drop comes from when a test blow knocks the tuning out? Being a competent tuner, you left the front segments in good shape, so what happened. The back scale happened. The back lengths are a real crap shoot. Sure, you can push on them massage them, stretch them, yell at them, or anything else you want to try to drive out the evil spirits, but the bottom line is that when you have no way to directly compare the front and back length tensions, you have no way of know if you're improving the situation or making it worse. The only way I know of to produce a dependably stable tuning is to tune often, on a piano that is under rigidly controlled temperature and humidity conditions, and move things as little as possible doing it. I'm, on the way out the door, so won't take the time to proof this for psychotic sentence structure or strange inside out disconnections. If there are any, sorry. That's essentially it. Ron N
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