Ballistol and other lubricants

[Gregor _]

I am not shure that any oil will gum. What´s about that Hammond organ oil? People have problems when they use "normal" oil from the household for a Hammond, but that Hammond oil works. And I think that Ballistol does not gum, I never had problems and used it for 20 years. Perhaps German Ballistol is another oil than American? Don´t take Neo-Ballistol, that´s another thing with fregances. But I don´t use Ballistol for center pins anymore because I tried that Protec CLP and I must admit that I am thrilled. It just works much better and quicker. So, no reason to use Ballistol.

In some postings I read that Ballistol is good for leather key bushings. I am in doubt that it is good in the long run because it´s an oil. I argue that it hardens the oil, even when it works fine in the first time. I have an old Förster upright with leather key bushings in my shop. These bushings make noise, even when most of them seem still thick enough. I assume that someone applied oil on the balance pins. Perhaps it was Ballistol? No idea. Usualy I use talkum powder for leather bushings.

@ David: 

yes, I had a dropper too that leaked in my toolcase. But that was a cheaper one. That aluminium dropper is very stable but expensive. On the other hand: with expensive tools you get angy only in the moment of buying. With cheap tools you get angry every time you use them. The link I sent (to the dropper) is a very special German webshop. They sell only things where you can get replacement parts of. They have a printed catalogue which won many prices. It´s a nice literatur for long winter evenings as they provide you with many informations about the materials used and the proper use of the things they sell. You allways find interesting things, for example this telescope magnet that could be used to grip fallen screws between soundboard and plate in uprights:
http://www.manufactum.de/Produkt/172574/757114/Taschenteleskopmagnet.html
Or this beer brewing device for your kitchen:
http://www.manufactum.de/Produkt/172094/1410389/BierbrauanlagemitKuehler20L.html
Come home from a long tuning day and get a cold selfmade beer. Hmmm, fine!


Gregor

From: imatunr at srvinet.com
To: ilvey at sbcglobal.net; pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: Ballistol and other lubricants
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 16:20:32 -0600




RE: Ballistol and other lubricants





Simply saw green and stopped using any Ballistol on 
centerpins.
 
Use Ballistol on high friction points Trap works, hanger 
brackets, anything leather, etc.
When Ballistol dries it becomes more and 
more like a gum.  Any oil will.
Any thinner oil will cut a thicker oil product. 

When getting ready to wash up for dinner, after working on 
an old grimmey combine,
we would first use motor oil to clean our hands, wiping 
off our hands on a gunny sack then 
head to the wash basin ( outside, as we wrer so dirty ) 
and wash up for dinner.
The thing that I try to do is limit the ammount of 
residual that will be left. 
This is done by using the thinnest mixture 
possible.
Joe Goss RPT
Mother Goose Tools
imatunr at srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  David 
  Ilvedson 
  To: pianotech at ptg.org 
  Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 3:45 PM
  Subject: RE: Ballistol and other 
  lubricants
  

  I didn't like that dropper as it leaked in my kit.   Maybe your's 
  is better made?   Looks like German made...
  For generations ballistol was a good choice for centers.   Protek 
  and Goose Juice are better...imho   How is it, that Joe Goss had 
  problems with Goose Juice +?   Maybe Joe can fill us in on it 
  again...at this time, he's not selling Ballistol as a center 
  lubricant...

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, CA 94044


  
  
  Original message
From: "Gregor _" 
   
To: 
  pianotech at ptg.org
Received: 7/4/2008 3:39:52 AM
Subject: Ballistol and 
  other lubricants


  Using Ballistol as lubricant for action center pins is okay. I 
  have no idea about its ingredients but the reason why nearly all German piano 
  techs use it since generations is that it does not gum after a while. Most of 
  my German collegues use a tool like this for applying only one drop of 
  it:

http://www.manufactum.de/Produkt/0/753674/TropfenoelerAluminium.html?suchbegriff=%F6ler

One 
  year ago, me too I used it for center pins, but in the meantime I use only 
  Protec CLP anymore. I have 2 of these oilers  in my toolcase, one with 
  Protec and one with Ballistol. Ballistol (and now Protec) are the only one 
  lubricants which are accepted here in Germany for center pins. With one 
  exception: your own hair grease (not kidding). When replacing a ceter pin, I 
  pull the new pin through my hair which makes the pin getting "lubricated". And 
  no, I am not the hippie type with greasy long hair.

Compairing 
  Ballistol with Protec I must admit that Protec just works much better. But I 
  never had problems with Ballistol.

Concerning ballance rail and front 
  rail pins: most German techs use deer tallow /stag fat because it´s supposed 
  not to gum, too. I rub a very small portion of it between thumb and index 
  finger and apply only a very very thin layer on the pins. But never do it when 
  the bushings are made of leather. Never apply any liquid or any grease on 
  leather. But here too, there is one exception: you may use "nose fat" (and 
  again: not kidding): sometimes the leather of the hammer butt is too harsh so 
  that the jack comes not back easy enough. Some grease could help, but as 
  mentioned: never apply grease on leather in pianos. So here comes the trick: 
  rub your index finger left or right from your nose. You will feel that this 
  part of your face is a little greasier than other parts. Then rub your finger 
  on the hammer butt leather. And no, I am not the teenage type like these 
  teenagers from Kentucky Fried Movie where teenage faces are used to get oil 
  from.

Gregor


  
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