Hi, Michael,
Quoting michael campi <campimichael at hotmail.com>:
> Hey Kids,
> It occured to me that OT could stand for on topic, off topic, odd topic
> or other topic and DT could be used for different topic, dumb topic,
> divergent topic or delerium tremens. There is so much yet to be done .
Indeed...which is why the normative expectation of the meaning of "O.T." is
"Off Topic"...norms being loosely defined by usage as something which is
collectively understood.
> On
> to the subject on my hands:Ii would like to build a drying box for boards
> because I would like to try to make a few boards for my uprights I need
> to know what dimensions and what construction criteria apply. I will be
> suspending the box from the roof so that the board lays flat when it is
> drying.
I think that the Journal carried some interesting plans and details for this
kind of thing about 20 - 25 years ago. If you have the issues on CD, it
should be a fairly quick search.
> Thanks in advance for the input
HTH.
Best.
Horace
> Michael
>
>
>
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> Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1285, Issue 126
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 02:26:01 -0700
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> >
> > 1. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Brad Lehman)
> > 2. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Bob Hull)
> > 3. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Allen Wright)
> > 4. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (William R. Monroe)
> > 5. How much tuning pin in pinblock? (David Skolnik)
> > 6. How much tuning pin in pinblock? (Jon Page)
> > 7. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Patrick Poulson)
> > 8. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (William R. Monroe)
> > 9. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Allen Wright)
> > 10. Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? (PAULREVENKOJONES)
> > 11. How much tuning pin in pinblock? (Jon Page)
> > 12. String coils affect stability? (Richard Morgan)
> > 13. Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? (PAULREVENKOJONES)
> > 14. Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? (Richard Morgan)
> > 15. Re: String coils
> affect stability? (Don)
> > 16. Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? (John Ross)
> > 17. Re: steinway archive photo-Tom (Israel Stein)
> > 18. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Marshall Connolly)
>
>
>
> From: Brad Lehman <bpl at umich.edu>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:06:16 -0400
> >The usual piano for their shows, in their "home" theater in Madison
> >WI, is odd. It's shorter than a baby grand and has an especially
> >thin tone -- listen closely to some of their home-turf broadcasts to
> >hear what I mean. I got to meet the pianist a couple of years ago,
> >at their show and also at the jazz set he played at a local hotel
> >the night before (on a more normal piano). Very nice guy.
> >
> >
> >Brad Lehman
> >
> >
> >John Formsma wrote:
> >>Michael Feldman's "Whad'Ya Know" show is in Oxford, MS, and I tuned
> >>the piano late this afternoon
> for tomorrow morning's live
> >>broadcast.
> >>
> >>Don't want to let this opportunity pass by for your critique, since
> >>(gulp) what I did to that piano is to be broadcast nationally. I
> >>would be interested in any comments, positive or negative. I think
> >>I tend to tune the bass a bit flatter than some tuners, so if you
> >>can, listen particularly for that. See if you notice anything
> >>particularly off. It was tuned in equal temperament...with an
> >>attitude. I.e., stretched so that the shared top note makes the
> >>double octave and octave-fifth beat the same. E.g., F3-F5 beats the
> >>same as Bb3-F5.
> >>
> >>I don't know how much you can hear of just the piano since it's a
> >>jazz trio. But if you're tuning in anyway, listen hard, and pull no
> >>punches.
> Hopefully it will react favorably overnight. C#4 has a
> >>rather nasty falseness, but everything else was normal.
> >>
> >>It's a Yamaha C7, about 4 years old. All I did was tune it...no
> >>voicing or anything.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>JF
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: Bob Hull <hullfam5 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:17:52 -0700 (PDT)
> >Hi John,
> >
> >I got your phone message as I was just crossing the
> >border back into the US after a couple of hours in
> >Matamoros, Mexico. We went to Port Isabell, TX for a
> >couple of days at the end of this spring break week.
> >Caroline's brother and his wife live there. I got
> >back into Jackson about 3:00 p.m. Saturday. So, no
> >chance to listen to the show (flying all morning). I
> >hope it went well.
> >
> >Bob
> >--- John Formsma <formsma at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It's on NPR. 10:00 a.m. Central time for me.
> > >
> > >
> JF
> > >
> > > On 3/24/07, Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > I would enjoy listening. Who is Michael Feldman?
> > > What's "Whad'Ya Know"?
> > > > What program/station(s) is it associated with -
> > > i.e. where do I look for
> > > > it on my radio dial - I'm making the assumption
> > > broadcast means radio, I
> > > > guess it could mean television also.
> > > >
> > > > More info dude! Sounds like a pretty cool gig
> > > though.....
> > > >
> > > > Terry Farrell
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
> > > > Michael Feldman's "Whad'Ya Know" show is in
> > > Oxford, MS, and I tuned the
> > > > piano
> late this afternoon for tomorrow morning's
> > > live broadcast.
> > > >
> > > > Don't want to let this opportunity pass by for
> > > your critique, since (gulp)
> > > > what I did to that piano is to be broadcast
> > > nationally. I would be
> > > > interested in any comments, positive or negative.
> > > I think I tend to tune the
> > > > bass a bit flatter than some tuners, so if you
> > > can, listen particularly for
> > > > that. See if you notice anything particularly off.
> > > It was tuned in equal
> > > > temperament...with an attitude. I.e., stretched so
> > > that the shared top
> > > > note makes the double octave and octave-fifth beat
> > > the same. E.g., F3-F5
> > > > beats the same as Bb3-F5.
> > > >
> > > > I
> don't know how much you can hear of just the
> > > piano since it's a jazz
> > > > trio. But if you're tuning in anyway, listen hard,
> > > and pull no punches.
> > > > Hopefully it will react favorably overnight. C#4
> > > has a rather nasty
> > > > falseness, but everything else was normal.
> > > >
> > > > It's a Yamaha C7, about 4 years old. All I did was
> > > tune it...no voicing or
> > > > anything.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > JF
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
> From: Allen Wright <akwright at btopenworld.com>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:51:12 +0000
> >Brad,
> >
> >I've been somewhat surprised by how out of tune that piano in the
> >home theatre often seems to be, when listening to that show driving
> >in my car in the past. I remember musing on why a show with national
> > syndication like that couldn't seem to bother (or afford) to keep
> >the piano in better shape. And how the pianist felt about it, etc.
> >- how it could have been such a low priority. Maybe it was just the
> > thinness of the tone on the thing that you mention I was reacting
> >to...playing on the C7 should be a great improvement compared to
>
> >that piano.
> >
> >Allen Wright
> >On 24 Mar 2007, at 21:06, Brad Lehman wrote:
> >
> >>The usual piano for their shows, in their "home" theater in Madison
> >> WI, is odd. It's shorter than a baby grand and has an especially
> >> thin tone -- listen closely to some of their home-turf broadcasts
> >> to hear what I mean. I got to meet the pianist a couple of years
> >> ago, at their show and also at the jazz set he played at a local
> >>hotel the night before (on a more normal piano). Very nice guy.
> >>
> >>
> >>Brad Lehman
> >>
> >>
> >>John Formsma wrote:
> >>>Michael Feldman's "Whad'Ya Know" show is in Oxford, MS, and I
> >>>tuned the piano late this afternoon for tomorrow morning's live
> >>>broadcast.
> >>>Don't want to let this
> opportunity pass by for your critique,
> >>>since (gulp) what I did to that piano is to be broadcast
> >>>nationally. I would be interested in any comments, positive or
> >>>negative. I think I tend to tune the bass a bit flatter than some
> >>>tuners, so if you can, listen particularly for that. See if you
> >>>notice anything particularly off. It was tuned in equal
> >>>temperament...with an attitude. I.e., stretched so that the shared
> >>> top note makes the double octave and octave-fifth beat the same.
> >>> E.g., F3-F5 beats the same as Bb3-F5.
> >>>I don't know how much you can hear of just the piano since it's a
> >>>jazz trio. But if you're tuning in anyway, listen hard, and pull
> >>>no punches. Hopefully it will react favorably overnight. C#4 has a
>
> >>> rather nasty falseness, but everything else was normal.
> >>>It's a Yamaha C7, about 4 years old. All I did was tune it...no
> >>>voicing or anything.
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>JF
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: "William R. Monroe" <pianotech at a440piano.net>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:07:26 -0600
> >He, he,
> >
> >Interesting comments:
> >
> >The piano (a very small Kawai Grand - though I don't recall the
> >model) is supplied and maintained by the local Kawai dealer here in
> >Madison. It is tuned in 1/7' Meantone (unless it has changed
> >recently). I must confess that I don't know how often it gets
> >tuned. Probably not real good advertising for the local store.
> >
> >FWIW
> >William R. Monroe
> >
> >>Brad,
> >>
> >>I've been somewhat surprised by how out of tune that piano in the
> >>home theatre often seems to be,
> when listening to that show driving
> >> in my car in the past. I remember musing on why a show with
> >>national syndication like that couldn't seem to bother (or afford)
> >>to keep the piano in better shape. And how the pianist felt about
> >>it, etc. - how it could have been such a low priority. Maybe it
> >>was just the thinness of the tone on the thing that you mention I
> >>was reacting to...playing on the C7 should be a great improvement
> >>compared to that piano.
> >>
> >>Allen Wright
> >>On 24 Mar 2007, at 21:06, Brad Lehman wrote:
> >>
> >>>The usual piano for their shows, in their "home" theater in
> >>>Madison WI, is odd. It's shorter than a baby grand and has an
> >>>especially thin tone -- listen closely to some of their home-turf
> >>>broadcasts
> to hear what I mean. I got to meet the pianist a
> >>>couple of years ago, at their show and also at the jazz set he
> >>>played at a local hotel the night before (on a more normal
> >>>piano). Very nice guy.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Brad Lehman
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: David Skolnik <davidskolnik at optonline.net>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock?
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:08:43 -0500
> >Hello -
> >I'm rebuilding a Knabe, which had a 1 1'2" thick block (thicker in
> >bass) and plate thickness at webbing which ranges from .22" to
> >.35". At what seems like reasonable coil distance from plate, there
> >is only about 1" of pin in the block (using 2 3/8" pins). How much
> >of pin should ideally be in block? or is that an answerable
> >question?
> >Thanks
> >
> >David Skolnik
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock?
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:13:43 -0400
> >>How much of pin should ideally be in block?
> >
> >As my grandmother used to say to my relatives when divulging
> >ingredients
> >for recipes for her fantastic pies: Enough but not too much.
> >
> >Generally speaking, The top of the pin usually is anywhere from 7/8"
> >to 1"
> >above the plate. Allowing for a 3/8" thickness of plate at tuning
> >pin field,
> >with a 2 3/8" pin, that leaves 1" and 1 1/8" into the block
> >respectively.
> >
> >Subtract from that the 3/16" bevel at the bottom of the pin,
> >leaving...
> >um... er... why can't we use metric? :-) ... Enough but
> not too
> >much...
> >
> >A lot depends on the block material and bore diameter/drill speed.
>
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jon Page
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> >pinblock?</title></head><body>
> ><div>><font face="Arial" color="#000000">How much of pin should
> >ideally be in block?</font></div>
> ><div><br></div>
> ><div>As my grandmother used to say to my relatives when divulging
> >ingredients</div>
> ><div>for recipes for her fantastic pies: Enough but not
> too
> >much.</div>
> ><div><br></div>
> ><div>Generally speaking, The top of the pin usually is anywhere from
> >7/8" to 1"</div>
> ><div>above the plate. Allowing for a 3/8" thickness of plate at
> >tuning pin field,</div>
> ><div>with a 2 3/8" pin, that leaves 1" and 1 1/8" into
> >the block respectively.</div>
> ><div><br></div>
> ><div>Subtract from that the 3/16" bevel at the bottom of the pin,
> >leaving...</div>
> ><div>um... er... why can't we use metric? :-) ...
> >Enough but not too much...</div>
> ><div><br></div>
> ><div>A lot depends on the block material and bore
> diameter/drill
> >speed.</div>
> ><x-sigsep><pre>--
> ></pre></x-sigsep>
> ><div><br>
> >Regards,<br>
> ><br>
> >Jon Page</div>
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>
>
>
>
> From: "Patrick Poulson" <pcpoulson at sbcglobal.net>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:56:54 -0700
> >May I ask why the Meantone temperment? Is that a request of pianist?
> >Patrick C. Poulson
> >Registered Piano Technician
> >Piano Technicians Guild
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: "William R. Monroe" <pianotech at a440piano.net>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:44:17 -0600
> >The dealer likes it. No other reason I know of.
> >
> >William R. Monroe
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Poulson"
> ><pcpoulson at sbcglobal.net>
> >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman
> >
> >
> >>May I ask why the Meantone temperment? Is that a request of
> >>pianist?
> >>Patrick C. Poulson
> >>Registered Piano Technician
> >>Piano Technicians Guild
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: Allen Wright <akwright at btopenworld.com>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 02:11:32 +0100
> >Wow, the mind boggles. That's so interesting; the dealer imposes
> >meantone temperament (on a jazz trio, no less - with all the
> >chromatic haarmonic stuff going on) and nobody thinks that's odd, or
> > questions it?! I wonder how the pianist feels? (Who knows, maybe
> >he's an adventurous sort of jazzer, and thinks it's bizarre and
> >interesting - he does sound like an easygoing sort, when Feldman
> >engages him in conversation). I'll definitely have to listen to that
> > show again : )
> >
> >Now I'm really wondering whether it was the tuning or the
>
> >temperament that I heard as being "off" somehow.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Allen
> >On 25 Mar 2007, at 02:44, William R. Monroe wrote:
> >
> >>The dealer likes it. No other reason I know of.
> >>
> >>William R. Monroe
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Poulson"
> >><pcpoulson at sbcglobal.net>
> >>To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> >>Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:56 PM
> >>Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman
> >>
> >>
> >>>May I ask why the Meantone temperment? Is that a request of
> >>>pianist?
> >>>Patrick C. Poulson
> >>>Registered Piano Technician
> >>>Piano Technicians Guild
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: PAULREVENKOJONES <paulrevenkojones at aol.com>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock?
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:25:10 -0500
> >How much tuning pin in pinblock?Jon:
> >
> >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always aimed for a tuning pin/block
> relationship that, irrespective of the actual measures, ends up with the
> same dimension between the coil/plate as there is at the bottom of the
> pinhole in the block. In other words, if the coil height is, for example,
> 3/16", then there should be approximately 3/16" available between the
> bottom of the pin and the bottom of the pin hole/bottom of the pin block.
> The other dimensions then sort themselves out if one chooses the right
> pin size and block thickness. Does that make sense?
> It almost always works out to approximately what you calculated: between
> 1" and 1 1/8" of pin in the hole.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >"If you want to know the truth, stop having opinions" (Chinese fortune
> cookie)
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 03/24/07 18:18:04 Central Daylight Time,
> jonpage at comcast.net writes:
> > >How much of pin should ideally be in block?
> >
> >
> >As my grandmother used to say to my relatives when divulging ingredients
> >for recipes for her fantastic pies: Enough but not too much.
> >
> >
> >Generally speaking, The top of the pin usually is anywhere from 7/8" to
> 1"
> >above the plate. Allowing for a 3/8" thickness of plate at tuning pin
> field,
> >with a 2 3/8" pin, that leaves 1" and 1 1/8" into the block
> respectively.
> >
> >
> >Subtract from that the 3/16" bevel at the bottom of the pin,
> leaving...
> >um... er... why can't we use metric? :-) ... Enough but not too much...
> >
> >
> >A lot depends on the block material and bore diameter/drill speed.
>
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jon Page
> >
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> ><DIV><BR></DIV>
> ><DIV>As my grandmother used to say to my relatives when divulging
> ingredient=
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> ><DIV>for recipes for her fantastic pies: Enough but not too much.</DIV>
> ><DIV><BR></DIV>
> ><DIV>Generally speaking, The top of the pin usually is anywhere from
> 7/8" to=
> > 1"</DIV>
> ><DIV>above the plate. Allowing for a 3/8" thickness of plate at tuning
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> ><DIV><BR></DIV>
> ><DIV>Subtract from that the 3/16" bevel at the bottom of the pin,
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> >ut not too much...</DIV>
> ><DIV><BR></DIV>
> ><DIV>A lot depends on the block material and bore diameter/drill
> speed.</DIV=
> > ><X-SIGSEP><PRE>--=20
> ></PRE></X-SIGSEP>
> ><DIV><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jon Page</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
> ><DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >--a2bb5dda-732b-4e9b-8dbe-f7aae6aa2be4--
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> From: Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock?
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:38:59 -0400
> >Paul,
> >Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail program
> >does not have line demarcation.
> >
> >There are many posts to this list whose lines run beyond my screen.
> >
> >Perhaps f you limited the width of your output, it would show up as
> >normal.
> >
> >No offense intended but please correct your 'page size'.
>
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jon Page
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: Richard Morgan <rsanbornmorgan at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: String coils affect stability?
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:11:58 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
>
> DIV
> {margin:0px;}
>
>
>
>
> I have a Steinway M in my care that has been restrung/rebuilt. The coils
> on the tuning pins are not drawn up tight, as I would expect. Can this
> have an effect on stability? Does it affect anything else? Would there
> be any advantage (several years after the restringing--don't know how
> many) to backing off the tension, and retighten while lifting the coils?
> Or would it be best to leave everything alone and just tune it?
>
> Richard Morgan
>
>
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> From: PAULREVENKOJONES <paulrevenkojones at aol.com>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock?
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:22:23 -0500
> >Jon:
> >
> >Only you and few other are having problems with my posts (at least from
> a format perspective). I frankly don't have the kind of controls you
> suggest. This is AOL, so there you have it.
> >
> >P
> >
> >"If you want to know the truth, stop having opinions" (Chinese fortune
> cookie)
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 03/24/07 20:38:00 Central Daylight Time,
> jonpage at comcast.net writes:
> >Paul,
> >Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail program
> >does not have line demarcation.
> >
> >There are many posts to this list whose
> lines run beyond my screen.
> >
> >Perhaps f you limited the width of your output, it would show up as
> normal.
> >
> >No offense intended but please correct your 'page size'.
>
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jon Page
> >
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> ><DIV>Jon: </DIV>
> ><DIV> </DIV>
> ><DIV>Only you and few other are having problems with my posts (at least
> from=
> > a format perspective). I frankly don't have the kind of controls you
> sugges=
> >t. This is AOL, so there you have
> it.</DIV>
> ><DIV> </DIV>
> ><DIV>P </DIV>
> ><DIV> </DIV>
> ><DIV>
> ><DIV><STRONG>"If you want to know the truth, stop having opinions"
> (Chinese=20=
> >fortune cookie)</STRONG></DIV></DIV>
> ><DIV> </DIV>
> ><DIV> </DIV>
> ><DIV>In a message dated 03/24/07 20:38:00 Central Daylight Time,
> jonpage at com=
> >cast.net writes:</DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
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> >Paul, <BR>Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail
> program=
> > <BR>does not have line demarcation. <BR><BR>There are many posts to
> this li=
> >st whose lines run beyond my screen. <BR><BR>Perhaps f you limited the
> width=
> > of your output, it would show up as normal. <BR><BR>No offense intended
> but=
> > please correct your 'page size'. <BR>-- <BR><BR>Regards, <BR><BR>Jon
> Page <=
> >BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
> ><DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >--1cf38670-cc21-4716-912d-afb6cd463a19--
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: Richard Morgan <rsanbornmorgan at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock?
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:28:41 -0700 (PDT)
> >Jon,
> >
> >Paul's message showed up fine in my window, and none show up from this
> list as you described. The fault is on your end, I think. I also need to
> resolve this issue; many messages I see on the exam prep list show up as
> you describe, and I haven't figured out what to do yet. When I do, I'll
> let you know.
> >
> >Richard
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net>
> >To: pianotech at ptg.org
> >Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:38:59 PM
> >Subject: How much tuning pin in
> pinblock?
> >
> >
> >Paul,
> >Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail program
> >does not have line demarcation.
> >
> >There are many posts to this list whose lines run beyond my screen.
> >
> >Perhaps f you limited the width of your output, it would show up as
> normal.
> >
> >No offense intended but please correct your 'page size'.
>
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jon Page
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> ><html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;}
> --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:garamond, new york,
> times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY:
> garamond, new york, times, serif">Jon,</DIV>
> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times,
> serif"> </DIV>
> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY:
> garamond, new york, times, serif">Paul's message showed up fine in my
> window, and none show up from this list as you described. The fault
> is on your end, I think. I also need to resolve this issue;
> many messages I see on the exam prep list show up as you describe, and I
> haven't figured out what to do yet. When I do, I'll let you
> know.</DIV>
> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times,
> serif"> </DIV>
> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times,
> serif">Richard<BR><BR></DIV>
> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york,
> times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Jon Page
> <jonpage at comcast.net><BR>To: pianotech at ptg.org<BR>Sent: Saturday,
> March 24, 2007 8:38:59
> PM<BR>Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock?<BR><BR>
> ><DIV>Paul,<BR>Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail
> program<BR>does not have line demarcation.<BR><BR>There are many posts to
> this list whose lines run beyond my screen.<BR><BR>Perhaps f you limited
> the width of your output, it would show up as normal.<BR><BR>No offense
> intended but please correct your 'page size'.<BR>--
> <BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jon Page</DIV></DIV>
> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times,
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> >
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>
> From: Don <pianotuna at accesscomm.ca>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: String coils affect stability?
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:36:59
> >Hi Richard,
> >
> >I'd definitely use a coil lifter to snug them up. It does affect
> stability.
> >I don't bother lowering pitch because I have a lovely tool with a
> captive
> >hammer that allows me to lift coils (and tap them down). Some times
> pitch
> >will drop a semitone or more.
> >
> >At 07:11 PM 3/24/2007 -0700, you wrote:
> > > Or would it be best to leave everything alone and just tune it?
> > >Richard Morgan
> >Regards,
> >Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T.
> >Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat
> >
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>
>
>
>
> From: John Ross <jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock?
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:40:52 -0300
> >Jon,
> >The mails come up fine for me?
> >I use outlook express.
> >There used to be a setting, that would loop lines, at something you
> >set. I set mine at 72.
> >I can't find out, how I did it.
> >John M. Ross
> >Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
> >jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Page" <jonpage at comcast.net>
> >To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:38 PM
> >Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock?
> >
> >
> >>Paul,
> >>Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your
> mail program
> >>does not have line demarcation.
> >>
> >>There are many posts to this list whose lines run beyond my screen.
> >>
> >>Perhaps f you limited the width of your output, it would show up as
> >>normal.
> >>
> >>No offense intended but please correct your 'page size'.
> >>--
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Jon Page
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: Israel Stein <custos3 at comcast.net>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: steinway archive photo-Tom
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:16:43 -0700
> >At 12:00 PM 3/24/2007,<jimfrazee at msn.com> wrote:
> >>Subject: Re: steinway archive photo-Tom
> >>Message: 6
> >>
> >>Tom,
> >>
> >>That's the same way they do it today. It's left out there for a
> >>year or more, then taken to inside storage and finally into the
> >>kiln drying process.
> >
> >Actually, back then Steinway used to leave the wood out in the yard
> >for several years - up to five. After they sold off their second
> >plant and reduced their real estate holdings, they no longer had the
> >space to do this - so they reduced the outdoor
> drying/seasoning to a
> >year or so and started depending a lot more on kiln-drying. That
> >explanation I got during a factory tour some years ago (when Bill
> >Garlick was there).
> >
> >Israel Stein
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> From: "Marshall Connolly" <falcone1132 at tmlp.com>
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 05:25:54 -0500
>
>
>
>
>
>
> JF:
>
> As long as you did your best work, than stop worrying. Even if you're
> new as a tuner, remember that I, too (after 25 years) do only MY BEST
> WORK. Sometimes, you deal with difficult instruments. Your BEST work
> shall always be commendable. It is the foundation of what piano
> technology means.
>
> Cheers!
> Marshall Connolly
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Formsma
> To: Pianotech List
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:02 PM
> Subject: tuning for Michael Feldman
>
> Michael Feldman's "Whad'Ya Know" show is in Oxford, MS, and I tuned the
> piano late this afternoon for tomorrow morning's live broadcast.
>
> Don't want to let this opportunity pass by for your critique, since
> (gulp) what I did to that piano is to be broadcast nationally. I would be
> interested in any comments, positive or negative. I think I tend to tune
> the bass a bit flatter than some tuners, so if you can, listen
> particularly for that. See if you notice anything particularly off. It
> was tuned in equal temperament...with an attitude. I.e., stretched so
> that the shared top note makes the double octave and octave-fifth beat
> the same. E.g., F3-F5 beats the same as Bb3-F5.
>
> I don't know how much you can hear of just the piano since it's a jazz
> trio. But if you're tuning in anyway, listen hard, and pull no punches.
> Hopefully it will react favorably overnight. C#4 has
> a rather nasty falseness, but everything else was normal.
>
> It's a Yamaha C7, about 4 years old. All I did was tune it...no voicing
> or anything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JF
>
>
>
>
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