Extreme measure? was RE: Pricing Pinblock Treatments

[Joe And Penny Goss]

Extreme measure? was RE: Pricing Pinblock TreatmentsHi David,
I do not think I could ever offer anything other than if it works its great,
After all I have not been the one to put the block together, have little idea of what other chems have been used,
and have know way of determining how much delaminating has happned over the life of the piano.

One piano I well remember was a Chinese Broadwood. It was only a year old and untunable.
Keith Kopp was the first tech to try a hand at getting the piano to ( Tune up ) He used shims which failed!
When I was asked to work on it the piano was very out of tune < not Keiths fault >
The first pin I took out was one that Keith had used shims on.
The hole was just a bunch of powder with the shims loose in the hole when the pin was removed.
I swabbed the hole with thick or medium CA, well actually my thin that had gotten thicker.
Accelerator was used but was applied with a hammer shank. The pin driven and string pulled up to pitch.
It worked so well that the next day I returned to the store and laid the  piano on its back and treated the block.
Tuned the piano and it was sold that month. Did a store tuning and the pins while not super tight had that nice little click I like to feel as the pin turns in the hole. Before the treatment it was jusr a squashy mushy feeling.
Havent seen the piano since as the buyer went bankrupt and the bank got the piano.
"Somewhere Out There" 
Hope to never see the critter again.

Joe Goss RPT
Mother Goose Tools
imatunr at srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Love 
  To: 'Pianotech List' 
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:56 PM
  Subject: Extreme measure? was RE: Pricing Pinblock Treatments


  Yes I have.  The question was not whether it is an effective treatment, it was whether you would offer a guarantee.  I would not.  If you have to CA the pinblock the block is compromised.  I'm not saying it doesn't work but I wouldn't offer a guarantee.  What if the block fails after your application?  While your application would not have caused that you might be held responsible for replacing the block if you offer a "guarantee".   



  David Love
  davidlovepianos at comcast.net
  www.davidlovepianos.com 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Alan Barnard
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:27 PM
  To: pianotech at ptg.org
  Subject: Extreme measure? was RE: Pricing Pinblock Treatments



  David, respectfully, have you tried CA treatment? I only ask because words like "extreme measure" and "salvage a bad situation" make no sense to me, based on years of experience with darned near miraculous results and the many, many similar testamonies of other techs.

    



  It isn't appropriate for a grand piano rebuild, perhaps, but it sure as heck is THE treatment of choice for that old upright, old spinet, or old console when the alternative is a bonfire.



  Alan Barnard
  Salem, MO


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  Original message
  From: "David Love"  
  To: "Pianotech List"  
  Received: 7/19/2007 12:15:08 PM
  Subject: RE: Pricing Pinblock Treatments

  No warrantee on CA doping of a pinblock (I assume you mean that and not on tuning).  It's an extreme measure to try and salvage a bad situation.  In fact, I would be explicit that the results cannot be guaranteed.  



  David Love
  davidlovepianos at comcast.net
  www.davidlovepianos.com 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Joe And Penny Goss
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:10 AM
  To: tune4u at earthlink.net; Pianotech List
  Subject: Re: Pricing Pinblock Treatments



  ??? What kind of warrantee do you offer on your tuning???

  Joe Goss RPT
  Mother Goose Tools
  imatunr at srvinet.com
  www.mothergoosetools.com

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Alan Barnard 

    To: pianotech at ptg.org 

    Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:56 AM

    Subject: Pricing Pinblock Treatments



    I'm wondering what folks out there are charging, typically, for CA treating an upright block, maybe expressed as a percent of tuning fee or hourly rates.



    Also, are you offering a warrantee?

       

    Alan Barnard
    Salem, MO



    I live in a gated community, but they let me out for good behavior.
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