An apology--Ed Sutton

David Andersen david@davidandersenpianos.com
Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:50:36 -0800


Susan----Bravo....beautiful writing, and my sentiments exactly about
obsession with gnat-anatomy to the exclusion of the unweighable, the
ethereal, the uncomfortably vague reality of tuning as a body skill rather
than a head skill.  Even me saying that will freak some out, I expect.

Spot on, Sssssn.  Thanks....

David Andersen





 
> Susan,
> 
> Very well said!
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> Horace
> 
> At 08:07 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:
>> Dear Ed,
>> 
>> Most graciously written, though my ego was not pricked by what you
>> were saying --
>> well, not much ...
>> 
>> I find it encouraging that several of the people writing most
>> earnestly about this supposedly crucial inaccuracy had the direction
>> of it wrong ... good for Bob Davis!
>> 
>> Tuning a couple of not-so-hot pianos since we had this discussion, I
>> tried the A4 after I finished my usual procedure -- it seemed
>> beatless with the fork. So, wondering how I ended up awfully close
>> to where I should be by the "wrong" method, I started thinking about it.
>> 
>> I don't set the A4 from F3 and the A-440 fork. I set A3, using the
>> fork and F3. Once A3 is beatless to the A440 fork, and F3 is a
>> reasonable beat rate from A3, I tune F4 to a pleasing octave (well,
>> pleasing to me ...), and then fiddle with C#4 till the contiguous
>> major thirds proceed pleasantly, changing the F's if needed. Then I
>> lay the rest of the temperament -- if all goes as I expect it to (I
>> have been doing it this way for 28 years, after all ...) the G# at
>> the end of the sequence will be happy with the C# from the beginning
>> of it, and I move on to octaves, after running fifths and fourths to
>> see that they are equally happy or unhappy, depending on the
>> instrument. I march upward, treating A4 just like all the other
>> notes ----------- and there may lie the saving grace. I make all the
>> octaves just slightly wide of what your machines might consider dead
>> straight perfect. And this stretch may be just the amount needed to
>> get the A4 fundamental beatless against the fork.
>> 
>> I do them this way because I like the sound better. It's less
>> stretch than would yield a noticeable beat, short of holding,
>> waiting ... waiting .... waiting ....................... etc.
>> 
>> So, if when I check the A4 against the fork it is okay ------what is
>> all this worry about? I mean, the world really doesn't need any more
>> slipshod piano tuners than it already has, but is it slipshod if my
>> ear, listening to the note and the fork together over several
>> seconds, can't tell the difference? What earthly harm is that small
>> a discrepancy (if even worth mentioning) going to do to anyone?
>> 
>> There are so many undesirable aspects of pianos which are plainly
>> audible to an unaided ear, and which often just go by the wayside --
>> why not pay more attention to them, and not worry about the
>> "Nano-Issues"? I don't really see the point of spending so much time
>> dissecting gnats.
>> 
>> On the other hand, I (sometimes) am happy that people with minds put
>> together somewhat differently than mine enjoy taking unreasonably
>> exact technical devices, and working out _exactly_ where the gnats
>> like to hang out. It's nice, on general principles, to know these
>> locations, and have a grounding in general gnat-anatomy, though I
>> will always depend on my ear instead -- so it ends up as kind of an
>> academic pursuit. Never mind, we all have our roles in life ... we
>> all make our various contributions.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Susan Kline (oh, yes, RPT, and I tuned A4 on the test using F2 ...)
 



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