mice in the piano

pianotune05 pianotune05@comcast.net
Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:13:11 -0500


A mose infected piano is how they might say it if they are speaking inner 
city lingo like
"yo wat up dog. just chill'n in the crib, and I found a mose in da piano"
Marshall
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cook" <cityman1@locnet.net>
To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: mice in the piano


> Lord, now I'm doing it...."mose- infESTED"
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cook" <cityman1@locnet.net>
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: mice in the piano
>
>
>> Excuse me, Gordon- just what IS a "mose- infected" piano. Sounds dang
>> dangerous to me!
>>
>> Sorry-
>> Henry Cook
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "gordon stelter" <lclgcnp@yahoo.com>
>> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: mice in the piano
>>
>>
>> > If you don't thoroughly clean the interior of the
>> > piano, you will be putting whomever plays it in danger
>> > as they, encouraged by the tuning, pound away on it
>> > and kick up the residue under the keys, and breathe
>> > it. But cleaning it will put you in danger. Much has
>> > been written here about mouse-infested pianos, and you
>> > should check the archives. I was coughing up blood for
>> > a month once from tuning a  mose-infested piano, and
>> > ended up at the hospital. Beware. If the infestation
>> > is more than minor, tell her to get a  different
>> > piano, and burn this one.
>> >     Most definitely don't give it to a  poor family
>> > "for their kids to learn on. " ( What rich people
>> > usually do with infectious, dangerous pianos, in my
>> > experience. )
>> >      G
>> >      G
>> >
>> > --- pianotune05 <pianotune05@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi everyone,
>> > > I got a call today from a lady who told me that
>> > > there is evidence of mice in the piano, or past
>> > > mouse activity.  I'm going over to take a look at
>> > > the piano tomorrow.  Actually, she's willing to pick
>> > > me up. She drives Mercedes, an old one she tells me.
>> > >  If the spelling is incorrect, blame my wife.:)
>> > >
>> > > Anyway, I won't do anything with the keys and action
>> > > of the bridal straps are missing until I learn that
>> > > repair.  However, I want to accomodate her the best
>> > > I can.  She wants it tuned, but a couple of keys
>> > > will go down but not up.  I'm guessing there's a
>> > > mouse nest in the key bed, however, is there
>> > > something I can do in order to give that key a quick
>> > > free up so it will go back up before I learn that
>> > > bridal strap repair etc?   Also, I read in one of
>> > > our past journals some time back that lavender
>> > > placed inside the piano helps keep mice away.  Where
>> > > do I purchase lavender?
>> > >
>> > > I apologize if this is a question already exists in
>> > > the archives as one guy on here reamed mb about a
>> > > while back, but i'ts a lot easier than hunting down
>> > > an archive. Thanks so much everyone.
>> > > Marshall
>> > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > >   From: Aart in America Piano Services
>> > >   To: Pianotech List
>> > >   Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:15 PM
>> > >   Subject: harpsichord
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >     Hi Blaine.
>> > >
>> > >     Thank you so much for taking the time to compose
>> > > this very informative and helpful email.
>> > >     The directions you have provided are invaluable!
>> > >
>> > >     I'll let you and the other good folks on the
>> > > list know how it comes out.
>> > >
>> > >     Very best regards,
>> > >
>> > >     Aart
>> > >
>> > >     Aart in America Piano Services
>> > >     Hoboken, N.J. 07030
>> > >     201 406 2594
>> > >     aartinamerica@optonline.net
>> > >
>> > >     On Feb 16, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Blaine Vesely
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >       Aart,
>> > >       I get pianotech in digest form and have
>> > > minimal time to read everything, but your post
>> > > prompted this email.  Don't even worry about taking
>> > > inharmonicity measurements with a SAT2 since the
>> > > machine does not go below 2.0 I think.  A
>> > > harpsichord modelled after an old Baroque French
>> > > Double (sounds like this is the kind you will be
>> > > working on) will not have much inharmonicity.  Just
>> > > use the 4th octave settings on your SAT to tune from
>> > > B4 to the bottom of the harpsichord.  A4 will be
>> > > more toward the treble than the bass side of the
>> > > keyboard assuming a compass of F to F.  Probably the
>> > > second A from the top of the range on the keyboard.
>> > > When you tune the C5 to top of the keyboard, you may
>> > > have to insert some stretch alittle, but not much.
>> > > You can use the individual settings and tune the
>> > > notes directly, like set machine to D5 and tune D5,
>> > > D#5 and tune D#5.  This gets you in the ballpark
>> > > pretty much.  Then use your ear to test if some
>> > > stretch is needed.  On a French Double, you will
>> > > have two 8 foots and a 4 foot.  I usually tune the
>> > > top manual.  It will only operate one set of 8 foot
>> > > strings.  You must make sure the top keyboard is
>> > > coupled.  Slide the whole keyboard front or back and
>> > > it will couple the keyboard to the jacks.  When you
>> > > get the top manual tuned, then play the bottom
>> > > manual.  Make sure you only have the second set of 8
>> > > foot strings coupled, and not the 4 foot.  Tune
>> > > unisons using the bottom keyboard.  Usually the 8
>> > > foot strings are the tuning pins closest to the
>> > > player.   Then turn off the 8 foot (lever that moves
>> > > the jacks) and turn on the 4 foot and tune.  The top
>> > > 4 foot strings are hard sometimes to hear and you
>> > > may have to uncouple the top manual and tune octaves
>> > > with just the 4 foot, usually it is only the last
>> > > several strings because they are so quiet and high
>> > > pitched.
>> > >
>> > >       Concerning tuning pins, if you have to replace
>> > > a string, you really have to back out the tuning pin
>> > > all the way if it has tapered tuning pins.  If it
>> > > has what look like miniature tuning pins that are
>> > > straight, then put coils on a dummy pin and then
>> > > copy what the other strings look like.  I have not
>> > > done any stringing with pins that have no becket, to
>> > > if that is the case, you will just have to practice
>> > > and when you get comfortable with it, go back to the
>> > > customer.  The pins generally for harpsichords that
>> > > are of a traditional nature are designed to get
>> > > tighter when tapped in and thus tapered.  So take
>> > > the pin out, put the string in (you might want to
>> > > take the jacks out) and cut it maybe 8 inches longer
>> > > than the tuning pin.  Copy the way the string is on
>> > > the pin and it helps to maintain adequate tension
>> > > when coiling the string on the pin, and drive the
>> > > pin in the hole.  I have also been told that when
>> > > you bring the string up to tension that you should
>> > > leave it a little bit under pitch, maybe 50 - 100
>> > > cents for a few minutes.  Someone told me that it
>> > > does something to the molecules in the iron strings
>> > > and makes it stronger.  Then bring it up to full
>> > > tension.  Oh yes, the low inharmonicity and lower
>> > > pitch when stringing thing I just talked about
>> > > applies to instruments with red, yellow brass and
>> > > iron strings.  If you know that the instrument has
>> > > steel strings or has strings that are wound, then
>> > > there is probably more inharmonicity and will need
>> > > some stretch eventually in tuning.  One way to tell
>> > > iron from steel is that when you bend or kink iron,
>> > > it will be easier to bend and will give you a
>> > > definite kink.  Steel is harder to put a kink in it.
>> > >
>> > >       Some fast thoughts, have fun with it.
>> > >
>> > >       Blaine Vesely, Piano Technician
>> > >       Kent State University
>> > >       School of Music
>> > >       Kent, Ohio 44242
>> > >       office: 330-672-2898
>> > >       fax: 330-672-7837
>> > >       email: bvesely@kent.edu
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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