This is a multipart message in MIME format ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I can't say as I've ever heard of hide glue for center= rebushing...it is important that the glue not soak through the= cloth so a very teeny, tiny amount of glue is needed. As I= think about thin hot hide glue would probably be ideal but only= in the shop...and then replace the flanges.! David I. Original message From: Porritt, David To: Pianotech Received: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:36:24 -0600 Subject: RE: Where's the action (cloth)? Alan: I avoid rebushing an action center when I can, but when I have to= it=92s Titebond for me. While hide glue is good glue, I think it= is revered in our circles beyond it=92s due. It=92s fussy, has to= be the right temperature, keep stirring and adding water to keep= the right consistency, watch for evidence of bacteria=85.. A lot= of the time =96 maybe most of the time =96 there are other glues= that will do just as well or even better. PVC-E is good glue= though I haven=92t tried it on action centers, it=92s my choice for= key bushings. It is fast, holds well, and is removed even= easier than hide glue. My glue pot stays on the shelf the vast= majority of the time. As to rebushing a flange for the RPT test, remember there are= enough points in the things that are important (like things= you=92ll really do in your work) that you can just skip a couple= of what I think of as the silly ones. I=92d mention what some of= the silly ones are, but my flame suit is getting old and I can=92t= afford a new one. J dave David M. Porritt dporritt@smu.edu From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org= [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:20 PM To: 'Pianotech' Subject: RE: Where's the action (cloth)? Wow ... it IS hard to say things right and I missed the mark,= too! I had taken no offense at your post, mi amigo. In fact, I= appreciated your reply, as always. Now the dilemma is that I'm soon to take the RPT Technical Exam= (I know, finally, at long last, what kept ya?) which requires= rebushing a grand hammer flange. No waiting overnight allowed,= I'm told In fact, a concern I have is that I will go to all the trouble to= glue the felt in then push out some of it out when I= pin/ream/burnish the darn thing--and then be out of time. So it= may not be the best "shrink sized" or "soft felt" center in the= world, but I want something that will be adequate, set up fairly= fast, and HOLD. But no, I don't want to take a glue pot to the= convention just to make two little globs o' glue. I'm thinkin' Titebond or maybe PVC-E. What have others used in this kind of time-crunch repair? That's= what I'd like to know. Alan R. Barnard Salem, MO -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org= [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:00 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: Where's the action (cloth)? You are welcome. I apologize - sometimes I know my responses as a= teeny little bit smart a$$y. You are correct - their felt= products are not on the web site. I simply called them. You can= order as many or as few as you wish. Only one size. If I recall= correctly, they are $2 per strip (but I could be WAY off with= that). I honestly don't know how to rush drying the bushings. I've= always just done it in my shop and had the luxury of time. I'd= be tempted to experiment with other glues like Titebond in the= shop first to make sure it didn't go too far into the felt= (maybe use sparingly and let air dry until tacky???). Have you used the Renner bushing felt before? Be sure to use= their training tool (to get the felt to go through the flange= easy. I pull my felt through the flange, one cut, thread a bunch= of flanges on a long center pin wire (or individual wires), and= then apply a 50/50 mix of water/alcohol and let dry overnight.= Works great. Depending on how much friction you are after= controls what size wire you use to for sizing. Terry Farrell ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: 'Pianotech' Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: RE: Where's the action (cloth)? Well, thanks Terry. I had checked out their website but if they post any prices or= even list their felt products on there, they sure have them= hidden. I emailed them. Do you have to call them to order, THEN= find out the cost? If so, that would be very Steinway of them. I guess for field repairs, one could dab on a little Titebond. Alan R. Barnard Salem, MO -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org= [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:40 AM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: Where's the action (cloth)? Alan R. Barnard asks: "Who sells Renner cloth?" Ummmmmm......... Renner www.rennerusa.com . I just ordered some= from them a week or so ago. I assume you are speaking of action= center bushing cloth (that's the pre-glued stuff)? "From those who use it, please: Bill Spurlock says to let the= pre-glued stuff dry for "several hours." This would not seem to= work if used for field repairs or the RPT Technical ...= thoughts?" Yup, takes a few hours - at least. I just let it dry overnight.= How well do you know your client? Might need to use plain cloth and hot hide glue - oops, there we= go again, now we've got to heat hot hide glue on-site - for one= little action center bushing? Just might need to bring part back to shop, fix and return at a= later date. "Quality work can't be rushed!" Check out some of= the piano manufacturers web sites - I'm sure you'll find some= good sounding stuff there from their marketing departments.... "What stock of sizes should one purchase, not for shop work but= just the odd field repair?" I stock all of their one size - that way I can always have the= right size! 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