Cut off bar & fish pictures on Mason AA (Modified by Kent Swafford)

Erwinspiano@aol.com Erwinspiano@aol.com
Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:35:45 EST


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Hi Clyde
   The real pioneers of this technology if  I'm correct  rightly goes to 
folks such as Del Fandrich,Ron Overs in  Australia &  Ron Nossaman from the great 
state of Kansas.   What these guys have learned  they've freely shared on this 
list for  many years& I'm simply along for an interesting  journey in sound  
production thanks to them.
  The cut off bars & fish are essentially  mechanical ways to increase 
soundboard crown reliability ,  longevity  & enhancing mechanical impedance. By  
Adding a bass cutoff bar the bridge is sitting more in the center of & on  the 
highest part of the rib/crowmn.. Shortening the rib obviously  makes it  
stiffer. Crowning the ribs & making them taller & less wide also aids  this. 
  I rebuilt A 1905 Bluethner 6 ft grand that had  a beautiful sweeping cutoff 
bar but the ribs had no height/depth   consequently  no crown. So cutoffs are 
not new but they are being  incorporated with other design features these 
days such as taller & narrower  ribs to support crown instead of to much 
destructive Panel compression. 
  I really feel like the ones who should be  explaining this should be the 
brothers mentioned above. Also the archives are  full of this.
  Check out WWW. Ron Overs Or Del Fandrich  Northwest piano Builders. Also 
Terry Farrel is making component part for the  trade such as custom one off cut 
off bars.
  Some of this work is math, science &  educating guessing & plain common 
sense.
 At any rate I'm glad it's got your  interest.
  Regards
  Dale

Dale,
This work you are doing to enhance the performance of re-build  projects is 
very amazing. Adding cutoff bars and "fish" (which I suppose  is the equivalent 
to a cutoff bar for the high treble) is very interesting.  Would you share 
how to calculate the positioning of the cutoff bar and fish. I  suppose (and 
perhaps wrongly so) that the cutoff bars positioning is a  function of the 
soundboards area and rib lengths? What is the correct way to  determine the cutoffs 
positioning? and how do you arrive at the dimensions and  positioning for the 
fish? Thanks in advance for your help in this matter. I've  just been going 
through the pictures you posted and find this  fascinating!
 
Clyde Allen
PTG Assoc.
Silver Spring, MD

Erwinspiano@aol.com wrote:


Too All
The pictures show a added cut off bar I  posted about last week 
which was recycled from the baldwin upright. I  decided to add the fish 
in the treble after Terry posted his  pictures & alos because of input 
from many other  rebuilders on list that have discussed more modern 
approaches to  developing sustain & power in conjunction with sound 
board crown  longevity.
As posted previously the ribs on this piano are  extremely long & 
would have provided inadequate crown support. Also  the ribs & 
soundboard area in the top treble were extremely generous  to the point 
of sacrificing stiffness required for adequate impedance.  I'm changing 
all the tri-chords top bichords & probaly a bass bridge  change too.
The jury's still out tonally. I'll! report back when  its strung. The 
action is already to go so in march I'll tell "The rest  of the story" 
We pressed the board today, the block is made  as  seen in picture.
Dale Erwin

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