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[Farrell]

" I will either repin the bridge for that note or treat the wood before 
driving the originals back it."

I've had very good luck swabbing the bridge pin hole and wetting the pin 
with unthickened West System epoxy and then driving the pin back in. I'm not 
claiming that it is a better fix than CA, I don't have any data/trials to 
back that up, but it sure seems reasonable/logical to me that epoxy would be 
a more secure and longer-lasting fix. In fact, I do just that even on a new 
bridge.

IMHO, if the bridge pin is not being yanked, then CA is the way to go. But 
if the bridge pin comes out, then epoxy goes in.

Terry Farrell

----- Original Message ----- 
> Inre False Beating, Dale writes:
> << Or as I said in my previous post that nothing you do  short of changing
> the
> false, overly stretched & deformed string  will help. Any body out there
> tried
> this remedy? Or are we only going to  consider the bridge pin /ca gule 
> otion?
> >>
>
>       I have replaced strings that were beating so falsely that I couldn't
> tune them, and the brand new wire had the same problem!   I have taken the
> bridge pins out and renotched and repinned a note on a bridge and put the 
> old wire
> back up to tension and the falseness was gone. I assume I didn't pull the
> wire back exactly to its original position, so there had to be some 
> deformity in
> the speaking lengths.  Didn't seem to matter.  The note was far cleaner 
> than
> before.
>      I have gotten the same results from everything I have tried with 
> false
> beating strings.  Seating the strings with a very light tap sometimes 
> makes a
> big change, and sometimes nothing.  Sometimes a tap on the bridge pin 
> solves
> all problems.  Sometimes new wire helps.
>      I have several high notes on a concert piano here that are 
> untuneable.
> When I address this over the break, I will not waste time on trying to see
> what particular remedy works.  The first thing to try is one drop of super 
> thin
> CA at the base of the bridge pin.  Not because this has any historical 
> weight
> behind it, but rather, because for the investment of time, this gives, by 
> far,
> the best chance the falseness will stop.  If that doesn't help, then I go
> ahead and do everything.
>       I will, instead, check the bearing, remove the wire and renotch.  I
> will either repin the bridge for that note or treat the wood before 
> driving the
> originals back it.  I will inspect as well as fondle the capo bar, 
> searching
> for anything amiss.  I restring it.  If it still sounds like before, I 
> check
> for nearly sympathetic lengths in the backscale.  Sometimes there is a 
> need to
> "detune" an aliquot's note, which I do with a slight kink in the duplex 
> length.
> I tune it around some, seeing what extraneous woes can be cancelled by
> controlled mis-tuning.
>      Then I move on, no need being a damn fool about it.  False beats are 
> a
> fact of a tuners life.  They take more of a toll on the beginning tuner
> seeking perfection than the older one who knows when to quit.
>
> Hope all have a happy Christmas, Kwanzaa, Hanukah, whatever boat you are
> floating in.
>
> Ed Foote RPT