Yamaha action with Steinway/European hammers

[David Love]

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From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On =
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Of Farrell
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:24 PM
To: Pianotech
Subject: Re: Yamaha action with Steinway/European hammers

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"Renner USA is starting to produce a "Wurzen" hammer that is somewhat
different from the PB."

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David - what is PB?

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Terry Farrell

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From: "David Love" < <mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net>
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To: "'Pianotech'" < <mailto:pianotech@ptg.org> pianotech@ptg.org>

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:07 PM

Subject: RE: Yamaha action with Steinway/European hammers

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>I would not characterize Ronsen as having a similar approach to =
Steinway.
> The unreinforced Bacon felt hammers bear little resemblance to the
> unreinforced Steinway hammers.  While they are both on the soft side, =
the
> control of the pressing through the set is much better at Ronsen and
> produces a hammer that does not always need to be lacquered, unlike =
it's
> counterpart.  As far as the Ronsen Wurzen's go, they need little
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> Renner USA is starting to produce a "Wurzen" hammer that is somewhat
> different from the PB.  Whether it is available for public comsumption =
or
> not I can't say.  Wurzen does make different types of felt and it may =
be
> that Renner is using more than one type.=20
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> David Love
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> From:  <mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf
> Of Jeannie Grassi
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:59 AM
> To: 'Pianotech'
> Subject: RE: Yamaha action with Steinway/European hammers
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> I think it is interesting that I have heard the term "Renner =
W=FCrzens" used
> lately.  Renner has always used Wurzen felt.  Their hammers are the =
same
as
> we have been accustomed to, but with the introduction of Wurzen felt =
to
the
> Ronsen line, I think Renner has felt it necessary (no pun intended) to
make
> it known that they are using the same felt. =20
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> I think what is more important than who is providing the felt, is the =
way
it
> is used.  Ric makes a good comparison.  Ronsons have always had a =
similar
> approach to hammer-making as Steinway:  Hammers very soft initially, =
with
> the tone built into the hammer.  Renners have always had the harder
hammers
> from their pressing.  Bottom line....if they sound good for a specific
> application....use them.  Knowing which to use and when comes with
> experience and listening.
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> Jeannie Grassi, RPT
> Assistant Editor, Piano Technicians Journal
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:  <mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf
> Of Ric Brekne
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:30 AM
> To: pianotech
> Subject: Yamaha action with Steinway/European hammers
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> Hi Brad
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> I just put a set of Renner (Europe) Wurzens on a C6.  And the result =
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> beautiful.  Renner Wurzens are slightly harder then Ronsens I=20
> understand, and require just a little needling to open up the=20
> sound....perhaps just a bit of lacqure on the highest and lowest notes =

> to bring up the power.  I think the natural resiliency in the Wurzen=20
> felt has pretty much shown itself to be a very very desiable quality =
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> hammers.
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> btw... I also find that for most uses a strike weight curve around the =

> top medium - 3/4  medium range followed by a nice smoothing of the =
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> weights to match a 38 gram BW yeilds an exceptional touch weight /=20
> response combination when combined with really good quality hammers =
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> voicing work.
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> I agree... the asian hammers I most often run into are very difficult =
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> get a satisfactory (to me) voice out of.  That said... new high end=20
> Yamaha grands use Wurzen felt now I am told.
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> Cheers
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> RicB
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> Question is, does anyone have insights on the benefits of putting
different
> hammers (i.e. non hard-pressed types) onto an
> excellent Yamaha action?   ( I love the precision of the =
Japanese/Yamaha,
> but I also serve several pianists who are dyed in the wool Steinway
people.
> who don't care for the tone of Asian hammers, even after =
careful-balanced
> voicing).
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